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[Yoink]

Yeah, had the very first mission of the Brotherhood "get in a vertibird, go f*ck sh*t up" bug out because I was wearing power armor.
Kills the buzz a little.

Damn, really? It worked fine for me and it was great fun indeed.
That sucks. Another reminder to quicksave frequently, no matter the situation, I suppose...

[Zangi]

Yeah, had the very first mission of the Brotherhood "get in a vertibird, go f*ck sh*t up" bug out because I was wearing power armor.
Kills the buzz a little.

Damn, really? It worked fine for me and it was great fun indeed.
That sucks. Another reminder to quicksave frequently, no matter the situation, I suppose...

Multiple saves... cause you can overwrite the save before the trigger.

[Teneb]

but then the last one - wearing the power armor - IN THE BLOODY GLOWING SEA WHAT ELSE WILL I WEAR FOR FUCKS SAKE - fails the quest, thats to over the top shit, i dont even.
anyway, if you havnt been there, you now have been warned. quest doesnt like you to wear fancy stuff. cause, reasons.

I'd like to point out that this is not a guaranteed thing. I did deliver the serum while wearing power armour, with Danse (who pretty much never takes his off) as my companion, too. Save often, as with any other Bethesda game.

[marples]

It's the X-01 armour that sends him hostile.

[BFEL]

It's the X-01 armour that sends him hostile.

Maybe Virgil has had experience with the enclave?

[ZebioLizard2]

It's the X-01 armour that sends him hostile.

Maybe Virgil has had experience with the enclave?

Which is strange as the X-01 doesn't actually bear any Enclave sigils unlike the Advanced Power Armors the Enclave traditionally wears. Though the appearance and head does tend towards the general styling.

[TheDarkStar]

If the player destroys any of Virgil's turret defenses, spotlight, or Protectron prior to returning to complete the quest "The Glowing Sea" you will immediately fail the quest upon re-entering Rocky Cave with the serum.

    If upon getting the serum the player waits before bringing it to Virgil for around a week, he (Virgil) is then found completely turned, hostile and quest "The Glowing Sea" will immediately fail upon re-entering Rocky Cave.

    If the player or any of their companions is wearing Power Armor when entering Rocky Cave, the misc quest to give him the serum will fail and Virgil will become hostile along with his Protectron and turrets.

Interesting. When I first talked to Virgil, both me and my companion were wearing power armor and I blew up his turrets reflexively (and accidentally stole something for good measure), but I didn't fail the quest.

[BFEL]

I've finished it at level 50.

I'm not sure how people can have a problem with the writing here and look back at FO3 as a positive example. Unless they miss the goofyness, I guess.

Now, if I put together everything correctly (since I couldn't really just ask anyone directly about these things), the true villain of the story is

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Railroad.

A bunch of idiot "fight the power" types who believe synths are people even though they completely erase and rewrite their minds when "liberating" rogue synths, thus eliminating whatever human-like sense of self they could've had (which begs the question what's the rogue synth's motivation at this point. Do they really just want a human-like synth that isn't actually them, just their body, running around the wasteland? What's the rationale behind this?).

The Institute then goes after these synths, who are convinced they're human, with false memories and all, and get them, making it seem as though they're kidnapping regular people and replacing them with synths when really they're just getting back their synths.

Not to mention these morons implant the synths with personalities that lead them to do horrible things like become raider leaders. What heroes.

Think I'll replay it with a melee build, see how viable that is since I spent most of the game creeping around and shooting headshots.

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While the Railroad is not the most heroic faction of all time, I think you're being seriously unfair. The Railroad gives memory transplants to those who want them - the synths who want to live normal, safe lives. I admit, this is pretty vague in-game, but I didn't get the impression they were forcing anyone. Even if they are... Letting them into the synth-paranoid Commonwealth when they're still acting like newborns would likely get them all killed. There's also still synths like Glory who haven't taken false memories and are wholly embraced by the Railroad.

And the Institute is kidnapping mostly regular people, in the name of science or control over the Commonwealth - there's plenty of logs on their terminals that go into this.

I don't know why the Raider leader went the way he did. Maybe he just had a naturally vicious personality - the SRB logs imply even compliant synths vary in personality - or maybe the Railroad fucked up. Would've been nice to hear the Railroad's side of things.

The false memories thing is kinda iffy, I admit. Couldn't they, say, just give them a lot of training on how to pass as human? In my perfect headcanon, the Railroad and the Minutemen start working on making the Commonwealth less hating on synths after the Institute is dealt with, eliminating the need for the memory stuff.

The Railroad also makes you commit mass murder, including children (they atleast mention evacuating unarmed civilians from the Institute, but the Prydwen doesn't even get a chance for that...), so definitely not exactly heroic.

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I don't remember exactly, but I don't think the Raider guy got his memories through Railroad processing.

Sorry to bring this back up, but wanted to point out that The Raider Leader

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

definitely wasn't caused by the Railroad. The reason he turned to raiding was because he didn't want to watch all his friends starve to death after the caravans wouldn't pay them for the mercenary work they did.

Oh, and when you're in the Institute there is a terminal that tells you about the Institutes "informants" who tell them if they see runaway synths.
EVERY SINGLE CARAVAN TRADER is on this list. Which is hilarious, seeing as the owner of the caravans is in the Railroad.
But seeing as they're essentially allied with the Institute, its within the realm of possibility they had some way to know the leader guy was a synth and THAT is the reason they were gonna let him and his friends starve.

So the reason the guy turned to raiding could well be entirely the Institutes fault.

[MarcAFK]

Loving the game, the build interface is frustrating though.
All I really need is a mod to increase random spawns, the worlds too empty

[Tellemurius]

-snip

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Either side will make you mass murder their enemies. Brotherhood is honestly the worst cause you blast the fuck out of everything for the Railroad and the Institute. At least with the Railroad you can get the synths fighting back.

[TheDarkStar]

Fast traveled to a place I thought was clear.

As it turns out it wasn't. A supermutant suicider was two feet away when I arrived and immediately blew up.

[Gabeux]

I've finished it at level 50.

I'm not sure how people can have a problem with the writing here and look back at FO3 as a positive example. Unless they miss the goofyness, I guess.

Now, if I put together everything correctly (since I couldn't really just ask anyone directly about these things), the true villain of the story is

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Railroad.

A bunch of idiot "fight the power" types who believe synths are people even though they completely erase and rewrite their minds when "liberating" rogue synths, thus eliminating whatever human-like sense of self they could've had (which begs the question what's the rogue synth's motivation at this point. Do they really just want a human-like synth that isn't actually them, just their body, running around the wasteland? What's the rationale behind this?).

The Institute then goes after these synths, who are convinced they're human, with false memories and all, and get them, making it seem as though they're kidnapping regular people and replacing them with synths when really they're just getting back their synths.

Not to mention these morons implant the synths with personalities that lead them to do horrible things like become raider leaders. What heroes.

Think I'll replay it with a melee build, see how viable that is since I spent most of the game creeping around and shooting headshots.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

While the Railroad is not the most heroic faction of all time, I think you're being seriously unfair. The Railroad gives memory transplants to those who want them - the synths who want to live normal, safe lives. I admit, this is pretty vague in-game, but I didn't get the impression they were forcing anyone. Even if they are... Letting them into the synth-paranoid Commonwealth when they're still acting like newborns would likely get them all killed. There's also still synths like Glory who haven't taken false memories and are wholly embraced by the Railroad.

And the Institute is kidnapping mostly regular people, in the name of science or control over the Commonwealth - there's plenty of logs on their terminals that go into this.

I don't know why the Raider leader went the way he did. Maybe he just had a naturally vicious personality - the SRB logs imply even compliant synths vary in personality - or maybe the Railroad fucked up. Would've been nice to hear the Railroad's side of things.

The false memories thing is kinda iffy, I admit. Couldn't they, say, just give them a lot of training on how to pass as human? In my perfect headcanon, the Railroad and the Minutemen start working on making the Commonwealth less hating on synths after the Institute is dealt with, eliminating the need for the memory stuff.

The Railroad also makes you commit mass murder, including children (they atleast mention evacuating unarmed civilians from the Institute, but the Prydwen doesn't even get a chance for that...), so definitely not exactly heroic.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I don't remember exactly, but I don't think the Raider guy got his memories through Railroad processing.

Sorry to bring this back up, but wanted to point out that The Raider Leader

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

definitely wasn't caused by the Railroad. The reason he turned to raiding was because he didn't want to watch all his friends starve to death after the caravans wouldn't pay them for the mercenary work they did.

Oh, and when you're in the Institute there is a terminal that tells you about the Institutes "informants" who tell them if they see runaway synths.
EVERY SINGLE CARAVAN TRADER is on this list. Which is hilarious, seeing as the owner of the caravans is in the Railroad.
But seeing as they're essentially allied with the Institute, its within the realm of possibility they had some way to know the leader guy was a synth and THAT is the reason they were gonna let him and his friends starve.

So the reason the guy turned to raiding could well be entirely the Institutes fault.

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True that. I found it hilarious as well. I also believe the dude from Warwick Homestead is a synth too, and the Institute always goes there to give him crops for !!SCIENCE!!... and he's the dude who constantly asks for help from you, because some Ghouls in Canada are scaring him.
It's sad there's no further info OR anything you can do with the info you uncover. Could've been fun/funny.

[Putnam]

so what's up with bethesda seeming to be under the opinion that mercenary companies shoot random people on sight like madmen

[NullForceOmega]

I file that under the same header as limitless raiders who rape and kill everything for no reason.

[Rolan7]

so what's up with bethesda seeming to be under the opinion that mercenary companies shoot random people on sight like madmen

Oh oops. I thought Jagged Alliance 2 was just impossibly difficult