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[GiglameshDespair]

Usually when playing a game, one finds all the flaws it has quite early, Be it many or few.
This game... After getting the large flaws out of the way in the start of the game It just keeps on showing small minor ones the longer one play. Be it game mechanics that when getting more familliar with shows the flaws or small things one notices when the freshness of the experience starts fading.

Spoiler: Common complaints (click to show/hide)

Now, I've played about 30 hours so maybe I've gotten the bang for my bucks you might say. But the thing is, What I did the first few hours is about the same thing I did the last few hours which makes me look back and thing that I could have stopped playing earlier.
Started off Building settlements, Shooting raiders with a pipe gun, Skipping the terrible dialoges and shopping.
Ended with Building settlements, Shooting whatever with fully upgraded rifles, Skipping more terrible dialoges and shopping.
Out of those things, Only maintaining settlements felt rewarding from start to end, though it did get a bit of a chore towards the end. Going out to get the stuff for building and doing what they needed.
Killing and looting is not rewarding when one know that everything is random generated and depends on the players level.
The bad plot, writing and dialogues basically made me stay away from the larger non-hostile NPC populated locations.

Anyway, The people at Bethseda must have some schizophrenic relationship with time and entropy.
There are so many things in the world that have no relation to elapsed time it seems.
Most objects would have been rubble, rust or dirt with no maintenance and being exposed to acid rain and whatever other enviromental catastrophy the nukes caused.
There are so many skeletons outside that I assume are intended to look like they died when the nukes went off.
The minutemen general has been dead for 3 years but his corpse looks like less than a week passed.
Somehow, one finds pipe weapons and caps in areas that have been sealed for 200 years.
The list can go on for a long time but I guess they went with the dramatic appearance and said fuck logic.

After 200 years, there wouldn't be anything left of civilisation at all, if it was done realistically. In case you hadn't noticed, Fallout tends towards the unrealistic aspect with its science.

[miauw62]

Usually when playing a game, one finds all the flaws it has quite early, Be it many or few.
This game... After getting the large flaws out of the way in the start of the game It just keeps on showing small minor ones the longer one play. Be it game mechanics that when getting more familliar with shows the flaws or small things one notices when the freshness of the experience starts fading.

Spoiler: Common complaints (click to show/hide)

Now, I've played about 30 hours so maybe I've gotten the bang for my bucks you might say. But the thing is, What I did the first few hours is about the same thing I did the last few hours which makes me look back and thing that I could have stopped playing earlier.
Started off Building settlements, Shooting raiders with a pipe gun, Skipping the terrible dialoges and shopping.
Ended with Building settlements, Shooting whatever with fully upgraded rifles, Skipping more terrible dialoges and shopping.
Out of those things, Only maintaining settlements felt rewarding from start to end, though it did get a bit of a chore towards the end. Going out to get the stuff for building and doing what they needed.
Killing and looting is not rewarding when one know that everything is random generated and depends on the players level.
The bad plot, writing and dialogues basically made me stay away from the larger non-hostile NPC populated locations.

Anyway, The people at Bethseda must have some schizophrenic relationship with time and entropy.
There are so many things in the world that have no relation to elapsed time it seems.
Most objects would have been rubble, rust or dirt with no maintenance and being exposed to acid rain and whatever other enviromental catastrophy the nukes caused.
There are so many skeletons outside that I assume are intended to look like they died when the nukes went off.
The minutemen general has been dead for 3 years but his corpse looks like less than a week passed.
Somehow, one finds pipe weapons and caps in areas that have been sealed for 200 years.
The list can go on for a long time but I guess they went with the dramatic appearance and said fuck logic.

That last paragraph can apply to basically any fantasy or post-apocalyptic game. You realise that, right?

[motorbitch]

i somewhat agree tho. i thought it was stupid when they went with 200 years future in fallout 3, where for me it always was an alternate reality ~1980 (with the war around 1960)
but yeah, after 200 years, allmost everything was rust and rubble.
aaanyway, had a few years to get over this issue.



so, why is the paintjob the same slot as the coatings? i totally want hotrod + prism shielding (even without that +1 agi from hotrod, screw that)
also, more paintjobs. black + white skeleton paint plz.

[Kot]

Don't you guys love that the Bethesda games all share the same console commands (Hell, even the caps code is shittonof0sandf, you can use only f to shorten it up)? Because I do. It's fucking amazing.

[Graknorke]

Well the console commands would be the same when the engine is the same.

[Gabeux]

To be entirely honest, there's a lot of small things wrong in the game, or things that seem to be missing (dynamic events, complex faction relation and interaction, deeper RPG aspect).
A lot of details feel weird and could have had a bit more attention, like Ivefan listed. Even if you love playing it, like me, it gets to a point where it makes you sad. Then you get back to having a lot of fun just exploring and try your best to forget about it.
To me, it's extremely weird how they took many steps at the right directions while, at the same time, taking steps back in stuff that used to be praised.

There's no denying that, even though (again) I'm having a blast with the game, it feels like I'm playing Fallout with the Fallout RPG component minimized.
If I didn't love the setting, atmosphere, survival stuff and the series so much, I guess I'd be disappointed too. But I had set my expectations very low.

I just hope that for Fallout 5 (if that ever gets made), they seriously take all the lessons learned and apply it. They don't even need to brainstorm new ideas - just put together all the feedback and praise from FO3, NV and FO4, polish the systems, and that's it.
IMHO, it feels like they did like the guys from Egosoft with X:Rebirth - they tried a sort of reboot if you think about it (except Beth didn't reset the universe, and didn't completely fuck up and remove critical parts of their game). If they were just releasing a sequel, it wouldn't feel so weird to those who played FO3.

I'm not entirely sure why they'd do such a thing. Some people are hoping there will be a "New Vegas" equivalent for Fallout 4 by Obsidian, and that could bring better news.
If anyone ever confirms that, please let me know. 

[Kot]

Well the console commands would be the same when the engine is the same.

Yeah, but some of those don't exactly have to, like the test zones and id's for certain items.

[motorbitch]

most complaints are like "but i wanted it to be like fallout 2, fallout 2 was perfect!!!"

with is relatively stupid, as fallout 1 and 2 themself where anything but perfect.
in fact, if they got released like that today, they would proably see a shitstorm of astonomic magnitude. not only was the graphic not up to the standards of the time, broken quests, logical errors in plot and dialoges,  areas that make the game crash if you enter them are nothing customers of today would accept. and i wont even mention the crimes they commited with the localisations.
so, lets face it. no fallout so far was perfect. they all where fun tho.at least, with fallout 4, the broken parts (imo the horrible building ui) is almost completely optional. and some even seem to enjoy that.

aaaanyway. most of us proably had enough of this discussion in 2008 when fallout 3 was released....

[GiglameshDespair]

I do think it's a shame they didn't add ammunition types and the full NV survival mode.

[Gabeux]

aaaanyway. most of us proably had enough of this discussion in 2008 when fallout 3 was released....

Agreed. I only posted that because I'm pretty sure I only mentioned all the things I liked up until now.

And I feel a lack of screenshots in this thread. I'm interested on what you guys are building.
Since I'm totally focused on making settlements 'functional', I haven't really built anything nice yet.
I usually wait until I get some resources, then I go around estabilishing supply links, plopping 16 beds, 16 mutfruits, 6 water pumps, some shops and scavanging stations, rocket, laser and heavy turrets.
Sometimes I just throw beds anywhere until I feel like building a house. But this guarantees I'll almost never have to go back to defend something. If that happens, I just plop moar turrets.
So my stuff is not screenshot material. 

But. MFW people say Fallout 4 is bad:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What I do with haters:

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E: Does this look..familiar..to you?

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Can't run; Can't hide

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Fuck you too, Beth (it isn't shown on local map)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I seriously knew they would do this again, and I seriously wanted to find it!

Spoiler: Teddy Love minor easter egg spoiler? (click to show/hide)

[Graknorke]

Oh cool, a concrete orgy. The second best kind.

[Rolan7]

Haha, nice screenshots.

I can't write a proper thing because... I'm too busy playing Fallout 4...  But.
As someone who really enjoyed Fallout 2 and Tactics, and 3, and enjoyed NV but felt like it was straying from the series a little (though it was lore-tastic!)

I'm having a great time with Fallout 4.  Not far yet, but everything feels great.  Maybe I just love scavenging, and it's scratching that itch more generously than the previous games did.  But the style feels... pretty good.  I'm happy with this.

[motorbitch]

army of armors.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[miauw62]

I keep accidentally locking this thread because the button is so close to the other projects button and touch screens are finicky.

[Dostoevsky]

I'm okay with having to run from normal enemies, but when an almost-dead enemy inexplicably turns into a fresh enemy it pisses me off.
I don't suppose there's any way to disable them, yet? Otherwise the game is great fun.

Personally I like 'em (or mainly the diablo-ish loot nestled within them), but thankfully there's already a mod that caters to the both of us:

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/218/?

Just download the "No More Legendary Spawning" version. It suggests making your .ini read-only, but I haven't and it hasn't suddenly decided to stop loading the mod yet.