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[SOLDIER First]

New Vegas has as much shooting in it as you want it to.
That's kind of like saying Oblivion had less melee combat than Skyrim, because Oblivion's magic system was so customizable and good.

[Krevsin]

I don't get what's so great about Borderlands. Borderlands sucks!

It's a shallow, linear, unpolished piece of shit.

I'm definitely not buying Fallout 4 now.

So wait because Borderlands was an unpolished, grindfesty boring shmup set in a dull, linear environment, Fallout 4 is going to suck?

I'm not sure I quite follow the logic there.

[Bohandas]

I don't get what's so great about Borderlands. Borderlands sucks!

It's a shallow, linear, unpolished piece of shit.

I'm definitely not buying Fallout 4 now.

So wait because Borderlands was an unpolished, grindfesty boring shmup set in a dull, linear environment, Fallout 4 is going to suck?

I'm not sure I quite follow the logic there.

THat was in response to a review that described Fallout 4 as "like Borderlands"

[Cheedows]

Seems kinda odd for the criticals to be a power up bar, how will running a luck-crit build work then? Shorter recharge rate for the bar or something?

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

I don't get what's so great about Borderlands. Borderlands sucks!

It's a shallow, linear, unpolished piece of shit.

I'm definitely not buying Fallout 4 now.

So wait because Borderlands was an unpolished, grindfesty boring shmup set in a dull, linear environment, Fallout 4 is going to suck?

I'm not sure I quite follow the logic there.

THat was in response to a review that described Fallout 4 as "like Borderlands"

I think Borderlands was a bit grindy was because it was designed around grind specifically.
I don't think people are going to design F4 like that just yet if they value their lives.

[Flying Dice]

Seems kinda odd for the criticals to be a power up bar, how will running a luck-crit build work then? Shorter recharge rate for the bar or something?

Pretty sure it's only for VATS.

[Bohandas]

I don't get what's so great about Borderlands. Borderlands sucks!

It's a shallow, linear, unpolished piece of shit.

I'm definitely not buying Fallout 4 now.

So wait because Borderlands was an unpolished, grindfesty boring shmup set in a dull, linear environment, Fallout 4 is going to suck?

I'm not sure I quite follow the logic there.

THat was in response to a review that described Fallout 4 as "like Borderlands"

I think Borderlands was a bit grindy was because it was designed around grind specifically.
I don't think people are going to design F4 like that just yet if they value their lives.

Still not gonna risk it. Not any time soon at any rate. Maybe in a decade or so during a sale when I can get it for 5 dollars

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Well, can you show me the review?

[Bohandas]

I didn't read this particular review personally, Rolan7 brought it up.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Okay then.
ROLAN, COULD YOU PLEASE LINK US TO THIS REVIEW?

[Krevsin]

I am confused, the fallout 4 devs said they took in help from Machine Games for help with the FPS, the guys that did the Wolfenstein: The New Order, a really well done FPS with impressive worldbuilding and well-designed levels that often tell a story just through environmental design. Nowhere did they mention Borderlands as an inspiration.

In fact, the only way one might think what has been shown of FO4 is similar to Borderlands is if they looked at the most superficial data available, as in "oh, it's an FPS with levels and enemies have health bars".

[Shadowlord]

Enemies have health bars!? You mean you can't even injure individual limbs anymore!? Why I never!

</sarcasm>

[SOLDIER First]

Enemies always have health bars.*
_{*I know this is obvious.}

[miauw62]

I don't get what's so great about Borderlands. Borderlands sucks!

It's a shallow, linear, unpolished piece of shit.

I'm definitely not buying Fallout 4 now.

So wait because Borderlands was an unpolished, grindfesty boring shmup set in a dull, linear environment, Fallout 4 is going to suck?

I'm not sure I quite follow the logic there.

THat was in response to a review that described Fallout 4 as "like Borderlands"

I think Borderlands was a bit grindy was because it was designed around grind specifically.
I don't think people are going to design F4 like that just yet if they value their lives.

Still not gonna risk it. Not any time soon at any rate. Maybe in a decade or so during a sale when I can get it for 5 dollars

So because somebody mentioned a review about a game that isn't out yet where the term "like Borderlands" is used as a general descriptor, you're "definitely" not going to buy it?
Seems to me like borderlands isn't the only shallow thing here.

And I enjoyed Borderlands. It has coop, which is something I love, didn't really feel grindy (the game seems to be balanced around you doing most of the sidequests, which I didn't mind), shooting stuff with a few types of weapons with a quite different feel was fun, the game looked pretty nice and getting sweet new loot is exciting.
Probably doesn't have much in terms of replay value, though.

[Sensei]

Now some of these clueless reviewers are literally saying that it's so great that FO4 is going to be more like Borderlands, and I'm just really sad and confused about that!  Guess we'll see how it turns out.

That's, uh, concerning. I mean, I enjoyed the Borderlands games, but they don't stay with me the way Fallout/Elder Scrolls games do. Can you link the review in question?

I have to admit, it would be funny if the reviewer in question just thinks we need a comparison to Borderlands to understand a game with both shooting and questing in it, the way every hard game was "like dark souls" for the past couple years.