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[KingofstarrySkies]

This made me want a Fallout cartoon. God dammit.

[Tellemurius]

Well have a comic at least about vault 77

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[AoshimaMichio]

You couldn't find any smaller version?

[RoguelikeRazuka]

Hey did I get it correctly -- they removed skills like small guns, medicine, stealth etc?

[IWishIWereSarah]

they removed skills like small guns, medicine, stealth etc?

they showed it previously in released gameplay video : you only have the SPECIAL attributes and perks.
There are perks for the different weapon types, and some perks have levels (seen at least for the crafting ones), and some skills are now perks (maybe with levels?) : lockpick and stealth, at least.

[forsaken1111]

Hey did I get it correctly -- they removed skills like small guns, medicine, stealth etc?

Most of the skills meant very little in FO3 anyway except for the jump points at 25, 50, 75, 100. Now they're just perk unlocks which simulate that instead of a meaningless 1-100 number.

[RoguelikeRazuka]

Damn are they out of mind? I really hoped Fallout 4 would not follow the way of simplification like it was with Skyrim. Now I think I'm going to hate it as well. I really couldn't think of another game to play in autumn besides Fallout 4, but I am afraid it's going to be not as entertaining as Fallout 3 was for me.

Hey did I get it correctly -- they removed skills like small guns, medicine, stealth etc?

Most of the skills meant very little in FO3 anyway except for the jump points at 25, 50, 75, 100. Now they're just perk unlocks which simulate that instead of a meaningless 1-100 number.

That's definitely not an excuse to cut any of them out or change the character developing system (because it was great already!). If some skills did mean very little in Fallout 3, the creators could make them matter in Fallout 4. Even though it positively needs to check out how the whole thing will work at first, I'm really trembling for the game now.

[notquitethere]

I was skeptical but in game-design terms it makes sense: picking new perks was always more interesting than assigning points to skills.

[forsaken1111]

So you're not going to play it because they changed a mechanic? That's kind of ridiculous. At least give it a try, or check out some reviews. Deciding you hate it based on a single mechanical change before you've even seen how the game plays is just silly

[RoguelikeRazuka]

So you're not going to play it because they changed a mechanic? That's kind of ridiculous. At least give it a try, or check out some reviews. Deciding you hate it based on a single mechanical change before you've even seen how the game plays is just silly

I didn't say I would not play it at all (I'm still going to buy Fallout 4 within the first days it's on sale without seeing the scores it will have got), but considering how it turned out with Skyrim, I'm really afraid.

[Teneb]

So you're not going to play it because they changed a mechanic? That's kind of ridiculous. At least give it a try, or check out some reviews. Deciding you hate it based on a single mechanical change before you've even seen how the game plays is just silly

I didn't say I would not play it at all (I'm still going to buy Fallout 4 within the first days it's on sale without seeing the scores it will have got), but considering how it turned out with Skyrim, I'm really afraid.

The only problem with Skyrim's perk system is that Bethesda did a poor job of balancing it. The concept itself is fine, other than the fact that you need to grind skill levels to unlock more perks.

Besides, experimenting with mechanics is a good thing. It can be pretty bad when a series just finds a niche and never ever leaves it, mechanics-wise.

[scriver]

Indeed, stripping away RPG elements makes sense if they want to make an action game (which is obviously what Beth wants to make so it's a pretty well duh situation). The part of me that lines RPGs weeps, but F4 will be a better action game for it, just like Skyrim was better than Oblivion.

[PTTG??]

I re-uploaded the vault 77 comic to imgur.

[Neonivek]

I re-uploaded the vault 77 comic to imgur.

And yet STILL a better vault then the ones in New Vegas.

Yes I am including the explody vault because that one was made of non-sense with how it developed... Did they vent stupid gas into it as well? It makes Megaton, the town that worships a nuclear bomb, look sane by comparison.

Hopefully Fallout 4 brings back interesting vaults.

[Dorsidwarf]

I don't see what the big deal is with making a perk-based skill system instead of "You must invest 25 points to use this sword, 50 points to use this chainsaw, and 75 to use this vibro-doom axe, and none of the in-between points will have any use other than to make it look like you're progressing more than you are".