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[MarcAFK]

Shareware is just a demo/taster. It doesn't pretend to be a full game.

Tell that to 10 year old MarcAFK 

[Rolan7]

There's also a particular stigma against paid content being included on the disc itself which completely baffles me, unfortunately.  No amount of juicy pickles has helped me understand the objection.

To clarify on the on-disc DLC, people don't like it because it is literally ready before release. Now, for cosmetic stuff it doesn't really matter (art teams tend to be idle during the later stages of development, so might as well put them to work), but for actual gameplay content there is no excuse. Sometimes, it is even worse like in pre-DA:I bioware games, specifically Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3, that had full companions and storylines relevant to the overall plot of the game done before release yet locked behind an additional fee.

To use a less pickly analogy, games with (not cosmetic) day 1 DLC is like you buying a painting... except you can't see a section of it unless you pay extra or bought it before it was even ready (and when you barely knew what it'd look like).

The painting is of snektits, of course, since we have to remain relevant to the overall topic of XCOM2.

FAKEEDIT: shareware stuff also used to have said demo/teaser levels be free.

So it's more a problem with Day 1 DLC in general than literally on-disc, right?  I was thinking that was likely the case.

And with the mention of snektits I have been banished from the thread
(I really shouldn't be here, I'm so hype for the game but I'm avoiding watching the gameplay videos...  Thanks all for having a wonderfully civil DLC discussion with me)

[Teneb]

So it's more a problem with Day 1 DLC in general than literally on-disc, right?  I was thinking that was likely the case.

Don't know if you are going to see this or not but they used to be pretty much the same. I have no idea if they still do on-disc stuff since it has been years since I last bought a game disc.

[Graknorke]

Shareware is just a demo/taster. It doesn't pretend to be a full game.

Tell that to 10 year old MarcAFK 

K. Gimme a sec (or negative a few hundred millions).

So it's more a problem with Day 1 DLC in general than literally on-disc, right?  I was thinking that was likely the case.

I think people have a particular problem with on-disc DLC because they're literally giving it to you, then telling you that you can't use it.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah that's true, perceptions are important when selling.  Even if it's fair, it needs to feel fair.
Though is there actual day 1 p2w dlc in XCOM2?  I thought the new class was but that's wrong, right, it's getting developed later?  (Which I guess feels better to people)

The only day-1 DLC is cosmetic. The rest are slated for Summer 2016, IIRC.

[Toaster]

Why are we talking theoretical when the actual info is on the store page?

Bolster your ranks with three themed DLC packs available together for an amazing discounted value*. Each themed content pack will add unique new twists to the core game experience:

    ANARCHY’S CHILDREN is a rebellion themed DLC featuring more dramatic soldier customizations. (To be released in Spring 2016)
    ALIEN HUNTERS introduces new soldier customizations and gameplay themed around XCOM as an elite alien hunting unit. Face off against “Ruler” aliens with new, more powerful weapons and armor. Experience a new dramatic mission & confrontation. (To be released in Summer 2016)
    SHEN’S LAST GIFT introduces a new soldier class with unique upgradeable weapons, armor and customization features, and a new narrative-driven mission and map. (To be released in Summer 2016)

http://store.steampowered.com/app/426321/


That verbage makes it sound like even the first one isn't day one.  If someone's heard otherwise, I'd love to see a link stating such.

[Farce]

As best I understand it though, people feel that it's wrong for a company to intentionally "gimp" their product and then sell you the missing pieces.  Because the "real" price becomes $60+DLC, yet they misleadingly market the game as still being $60.

Personally I don't see that as morally wrong.  Maybe misleading to uninformed consumers, but it allows greater choice.  Potentially exceeding a $60 price point isn't morally wrong.  Something to consider when making a purchasing decision, though?  Absolutely!!

I'd probably be less mad about it if I wasn't so sure that so much of that extra money is going to the CEOs and producing company, who oftentimes are actively detrimental to the development process, or if it didn't just feel like they were fleecing me for more cash.  I mean, $60 is a non-trivial amount of money, you know?

[Flying Dice]

Why are we talking theoretical when the actual info is on the store page?

Bolster your ranks with three themed DLC packs available together for an amazing discounted value*. Each themed content pack will add unique new twists to the core game experience:

    ANARCHY’S CHILDREN is a rebellion themed DLC featuring more dramatic soldier customizations. (To be released in Spring 2016)
    ALIEN HUNTERS introduces new soldier customizations and gameplay themed around XCOM as an elite alien hunting unit. Face off against “Ruler” aliens with new, more powerful weapons and armor. Experience a new dramatic mission & confrontation. (To be released in Summer 2016)
    SHEN’S LAST GIFT introduces a new soldier class with unique upgradeable weapons, armor and customization features, and a new narrative-driven mission and map. (To be released in Summer 2016)

http://store.steampowered.com/app/426321/


That verbage makes it sound like even the first one isn't day one.  If someone's heard otherwise, I'd love to see a link stating such.

Pre Purchase Now and Receive:

RESISTANCE WARRIOR PACK

Customize your squad of resistance fighters with bonus outfits, headgear, and custom facial war paint. Instantly unlock a survivor of the old war as a recruit in your barracks.

[Toaster]

Well, yes, you can BUY it day one.  But do you GET anything day one?  Clearly you don't get the second two, but February 6th isn't spring.

[Mephansteras]

I think that was referencing the Pre-Order bonus. Which is not the same as DLC and again seems pretty much cosmetic. Unless that soldier is high ranking, although it's also possible that they just have old-school XCOM armor on and are still rookies.

[Gabeux]

Paid DLC Expansion Pack Exclusive Early Access On Disk Unlockables, preorder now!

Just wanted to say, nice title. I just have to read the thread title once in a while to know what's happening in the XCOM front. 

[Sonlirain]

Well i said it before.
People like being paid up front.

Just look at star citizen!

[Flying Dice]

I think that was referencing the Pre-Order bonus. Which is not the same as DLC and again seems pretty much cosmetic. Unless that soldier is high ranking, although it's also possible that they just have old-school XCOM armor on and are still rookies.

Eh? It's additional content which must be downloaded in addition to the base game and is only available under certain circumstances (in this case preordering rather than shelling out more dosh--still a financial risk, but of a different sort). That's DLC in my book. If it was released a month later for $3 or whatever everyone would call it DLC.

[Mephansteras]

No arguments that the two are very closely related. They're just not quite the same thing due to how you get them.

[Shadowlord]

It does sound like pay-to-win though. :V

For $20 more than the base $60:
> Face off against “Ruler” aliens with new, more powerful weapons and armor.
> new soldier class with unique upgradeable weapons, armor and customization features

OP pre-order bonuses and shit like that just seem to make games boring anyways.