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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7200 on: October 02, 2019, 03:53:54 pm »

Hey, what happens if you cast Disguise Self, and then you're polymorphed/beast-shaped? Does the Disguise Self still effect you in some way?
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7201 on: October 02, 2019, 04:16:33 pm »

Since Disguise Self is an illusion (isn't it?) I would assume it just creates an illusion as normal?

It does bring many interesting possibilities to mind.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7202 on: October 02, 2019, 04:27:46 pm »

But is it the same illusion? If a human Disguise Selfed as a half-orc, and then was polymorphed into a T-rex, what would he look like?
Afterall, Disguise Self doesn't let you change the look after being cast, so would he still look like a regular-sized half-orc? A t-rex sized half-orc? Would the half-orc illusion remain at half-orc size, but be eclipsed by the much larger t-rex?
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7203 on: October 02, 2019, 04:30:45 pm »

I'd rule that unless you polymorph into an ape or something, your current disguise becomes invalid due to the body type restriction and/or the size restriction and the illusion breaks.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7204 on: October 02, 2019, 06:06:02 pm »

Yes, I agree with the cold beverage. The illusion would remain as it was created unless the size change or body type change makes breaks the restrictions of the illusion.

Now, consider this: Do the illusion function not just by creating an illusion of what is there, but also hiding what is actually there? In the case of the latter I would argue that the restrictions are restrictions upon what can be hidden by the illusion. That means that if turned a T-Rex, the illusion of a half-orc would remain -- it just wouldn't hide the person outside the bounds of his pre-polymorphed form.

So it would be a T-Rex with the illusion of a half-orc inside it.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7205 on: October 02, 2019, 06:07:25 pm »

The illusion can make you appear shorter, so I'd say it hides what is actually there.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7206 on: October 02, 2019, 06:16:17 pm »

I'd posit the illusion is merely acting on the viewer's perception of what they are viewing, rather than the appearance of the actual person. That's why there's usually saving throws to disbelieve illusions. A hand-wave illusion convinces the viewer these aren't the droids they're looking for, since they're obviously something else. That isn't a human, just a rather tall halfling. But there reaches a point where the person under the illusion breaks any reasonable chance of the viewer's willing acceptance of disbelief, such as a T-Rex disguised as a half-orc.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7207 on: October 02, 2019, 06:27:40 pm »

However, there is no save for Disguise Self, despite it being an illusion.
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« Reply #7208 on: October 02, 2019, 07:07:22 pm »

Depends which version you're using. 3.5e and PF both have saving throws when interacting with the target. The 5e text specifically says that you bump into invisible parts of the target's body if you interact with them, and has an option to perform an Investigation check against the spell DC.
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« Reply #7209 on: October 03, 2019, 04:16:35 am »

I'd posit the illusion is merely acting on the viewer's perception of what they are viewing, rather than the appearance of the actual person.
Disguise Self was a glamer-type illusion in previous editions, meaning that it did in fact change the caster's appearance. There are no distinct subschools in 5e, but I don't think it has become a figment or a phantasm in the interim.
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« Reply #7211 on: October 03, 2019, 03:31:54 pm »

What is that a link to? My browser thinks it has privacy errors.
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« Reply #7212 on: October 03, 2019, 03:38:47 pm »

The Wendy's RPG. They may be having server issues due to unforeseen demand by masses of gaming nerds.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7213 on: October 04, 2019, 06:49:14 am »

So, Wendy's has a tabletop RPG and KFC has a dating sim.

What fucked-up timeline are we even living in?

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7214 on: October 04, 2019, 08:10:05 am »

The production quality is actually really good, but I haven't read it to see if the rules or the adventure are good, and I probably won't, because you can keep that corporate BS, I'm into punk pizza rolls with Totinos.
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