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[MrWiggles]

Yeah, I didn't read that. 

So you didnt read the rule, then surprised that you nearly killed your party?

[My Name is Immaterial]

Yeah, I didn't read that. 

So you didnt read the rule, then surprised that you nearly killed your party?

*shrug* Sue me, I was too busy contacting any friend who was still in town, and might be interested in joining a one-off. I think I asked like 7 different people, only two of which showed up, and one was my roommate.

When designing encounters, I add the monsters' CR together, which, in this case, is 1.5, because that's easier on me. Logically, 2 3rd level characters, shouldn't have any trouble with that. They're goblins, for crying out loud!

Either way, my point was that fighting mobs of creatures is unequivocally harder than actual boss fights. If there's one thing you can say about 4e, they addressed that problem well.

[Neonivek]

Have you used a boss yet?

[My Name is Immaterial]

Yes, in the one-off. It was a boss that got buffed the longer the PCs fought its much smaller (after their poor performance the first time) retinue. It was a bit more of a fair fight, but they still were able to focus it down, and easily take it out.

[Neonivek]

Yes, in the one-off. It was a boss that got buffed the longer the PCs fought its much smaller (after their poor performance the first time) retinue. It was a bit more of a fair fight, but they still were able to focus it down, and easily take it out.

So it had 3 legendary actions and 3/day legendary resistance?

Also did it have Lair actions?

Yes I LOVE Dungeons and Dragons 5e I'd run it again but... well there are reasons.

[Dorsidwarf]

Yeah, at low levels your greatest enemy in D&D 5e is massed ranks of mooks. My group is very melee-focused and we got hemmed in by kobolds with enfilading crossbows above and nearly got creamed (We correctly figured that focusing on their boss to kill him would break their morale)

[My Name is Immaterial]

Yes, in the one-off. It was a boss that got buffed the longer the PCs fought its much smaller (after their poor performance the first time) retinue. It was a bit more of a fair fight, but they still were able to focus it down, and easily take it out.

So it had 3 legendary actions and 3/day legendary resistance?
Also did it have Lair actions?

My players had just had their ass handed to them by five goblins. Take a guess.

[MrWiggles]

Yes, in the one-off. It was a boss that got buffed the longer the PCs fought its much smaller (after their poor performance the first time) retinue. It was a bit more of a fair fight, but they still were able to focus it down, and easily take it out.

So it had 3 legendary actions and 3/day legendary resistance?
Also did it have Lair actions?

My players had just had their ass handed to them by five goblins. Take a guess.

So then it was a stripped down boss. So you havent actually used an encounter properly yet, then jab at it, that 4e did it better.

[NullForceOmega]

Addendum 2: KEEP IT CIVIL, no attacks, no attitude (even me.)

Warning one.

[highmax28]

Yes, in the one-off. It was a boss that got buffed the longer the PCs fought its much smaller (after their poor performance the first time) retinue. It was a bit more of a fair fight, but they still were able to focus it down, and easily take it out.

So it had 3 legendary actions and 3/day legendary resistance?
Also did it have Lair actions?

My players had just had their ass handed to them by five goblins. Take a guess.

So then it was a stripped down boss. So you havent actually used an encounter properly yet, then jab at it, that 4e did it better.

Can you explain this better? I think something got lost here

[My Name is Immaterial]

So then it was a stripped down boss. So you havent actually used an encounter properly yet, then jab at it, that 4e did it better.

Yes, it was. However, since it had never been used before, and was based around a gimmick mechanic that also had never been used before, it was difficult to tell how to use it properly.

My remark about 4e was in reference to the way that power economy and party composition worked in a very specific way. Your controller has access to powerful AOE, so a fight against 5-6 goblins is suddenly a lot easier. Boss battles can now be deadlier, but at the same time, easier, as you now feel okay about spending Daily powers. The intensity gets ramped up in an interesting way naturally, while I find myself having to work much harder to find ways to develop that intensity in other editions.

I'm not trying to start an edition fight, I'm just comparing the two edition's boss/gang fights. I love 5e to death, and have a grudging respect for 4e as a fantasy tactical game. It does that well, if nothing else.

[Egan_BW]

Having trouble against 5-6 goblins makes logical sense to me. Being that outnumbered by humanoids is bad news, even if they're tiny humanoids. And saying that the party "nearly died" is RPG speak for "the party was inconvenienced slightly."

[My Name is Immaterial]

And saying that the party "nearly died" is RPG speak for "the party was inconvenienced slightly."

I can't dispute that.

[highmax28]

And saying that the party "nearly died" is RPG speak for "the party was inconvenienced slightly."

I can't dispute that.

Never underestimate something overwhelmingly stupid in overwhelming numbers.

I had to redo an encounter when I realized that a crapton of bandits and two berserkers would kill my party

[Arx]

The only time my group has actually made it all the way to a PK (had some very, very close misses) was fighting the four skeleton archers left after killing a bearded devil and associated evil wizard. The closest miss was accidentally fighting every guard and every devil in a devil-worshipper's mansion at once, which included three imps, another bearded devil, two nobles and three mooks. Numbers be scary, yo.