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[BlackFlyme]

Rays can use Precise and Point-Blank shot feats, so I don't see why not.

And since Strength is definitely not our strong suit, so Weapon Finesse is pretty much mandatory for Bladers who don't use Elemental blasts. Elementals get to cheat by targeting touch.

[highmax28]

Rays can use Precise and Point-Blank shot feats, so I don't see why not.

And since Strength is definitely not our strong suit, so Weapon Finesse is pretty much mandatory for Bladers who don't use Elemental blasts. Elementals get to cheat by targeting touch.

Pyrokineticists also get to target touch. Blue flame blast is the only one that has composite blast damage that still targets touch AC.

Its how I'm able to fight enemies with 40+ AC. And do kinetic blasts count as a ray attack?

[Jimmy]

Kinetic Blast (Sp)

At 1st level, a kineticist gains a kinetic blast wild talent of her choice. This kinetic blast must be a simple blast that matches her element.

As a standard action, the kineticist can unleash a kinetic blast at a single target up to a range of 30 feet. She must have at least one hand free to aim the blast (or one prehensile appendage, if she doesn't have hands). All damage from a kinetic blast is treated as magic for the purpose of bypassing damage reduction. Kinetic blasts count as a type of weapon for the purpose of feats such as Weapon Focus. The kineticist is never considered to be wielding or gripping the kinetic blast (regardless of effects from form infusions; see Infusion), and she can't use Vital Strike feats with kinetic blasts. Even the weakest kinetic blast involves a sizable mass of elemental matter or energy, so kinetic blasts always deal full damage to swarms of any size (though only area blasts deal extra damage to swarms). A readied kinetic blast can be used to counterspell any spell of equal or lower level that shares its descriptor. A kinetic blast that deals energy damage of any type (including force) has the corresponding descriptor.

Seems that's a no to being a ray attack. Instead, it would require Weapon Focus (Kinetic Blast) etc. Alchemist Bombs share the same restriction.

[BlackFlyme]

Kinetic blasts count as a type of weapon for the purpose of feats such as Weapon Focus. The kineticist is never considered to be wielding or gripping the kinetic blast (regardless of effects from form infusions; see Infusion), and she can't use Vital Strike feats with kinetic blasts.

This is the part I was referring to. I'm not that great at wording my thoughts sometimes.

I meant that Kinetic Blasts are like rays in that they are considered weapon types for the purpose of feats. Albeit, more limited than physical weapons.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it limits the uses to which you can put your Kinetic Blast. For example, you couldn't pair it with Dazzling Display because you need to be wielding your weapon, and a kineticist is never considered to be wielding their Kinetic Blast. You could probably pair it with False Opening though, which would be decent for lowering the touch AC of an enemy by denying them their Dex bonus. Of course that requires you have a high enough AC or other source of defense to reliably eat an attack of opportunity and have the enemy miss. Honestly you're probably better off just taking more Toughness feats instead.

[Arx]

The adventures of Launce Aroys, ordinary guy extraordinaire, continue. After the surveyor and wizard for kicked out of the suspected smuggler's shop, I struck up a conversation with the guards (I was posing as hired muscle at the time) and managed to work out that he was a slaver.

That was about the most successful anyone was the whole session though, as we then discovered the best climb modifier in the party to be -1, and put six arrows into a lemure in the span of about ten seconds for a total of one damage. We didn't realise it was there, since we assumed the wizard's familiar had just flown into a window.

[highmax28]

The adventures of Launce Aroys, ordinary guy extraordinaire, continue. After the surveyor and wizard for kicked out of the suspected smuggler's shop, I struck up a conversation with the guards (I was posing as hired muscle at the time) and managed to work out that he was a slaver.

That was about the most successful anyone was the whole session though, as we then discovered the best climb modifier in the party to be -1, and put six arrows into a lemure in the span of about ten seconds for a total of one damage. We didn't realise it was there, since we assumed the wizard's familiar had just flown into a window.

This so chaotic confusing that I wish I was there to witness it

[BlackFlyme]

Heh, I'm checking out the new Blood of Shadows splatbook for Pathfinder. They finally added Extra Ninja Trick so that rules lawyers will stop hassling Ninjas because they technically can't take Rogue feats, despite being an Advanced Rogue Archetype.

Got some other neat stuff as well. Mostly aimed at Drow, Half-Elves, and two races from the Plane of Shadows.

[highmax28]

Got a quick question for some of you guys, and this is something that I talk to a few people about in RL, but not much elsewhere.

What are you looking forward to/expecting in 5e?

I'm waiting until they release more races from 4e like Revenant, Goliath, Mul, and others

[My Name is Immaterial]

I'm looking forward to a revamped Ranger and more monsters.

They already have Goliaths. They were released in the Elemental Evil supplement.

[Arcvasti]

Got a quick question for some of you guys, and this is something that I talk to a few people about in RL, but not much elsewhere.

What are you looking forward to/expecting in 5e?

I'm waiting until they release more races from 4e like Revenant, Goliath, Mul, and others

5e is pretty neat right now, but there's kind of a dearth of monsters[In the Monster Manual, at least]. More of those would kind of be nice. I also kinda want more build path things for classes. Like, there are only two Sorcerous Origin options right now, for one. More options there is always fun.

[TheBiggerFish]

Agreed.

More origins...

[highmax28]

I think they either need a second PHB to start adding things from the unearthed arcana and the campaigns in, as well as some extras from the DM's handbook and the MM, because I had no iea genesai was a thing, and I only found out about shifters from an unearthed arcana thing someone posted in another 5e game... I love longtooth shifters, and I played a longtooth shifter berserker in 4e, and I'm kinda recreating him with my longtooth shifter barbarian who has sentinel.

Oh, nad that reminds me. Does standing up provoke Sentinel? If it does, does it stop them from standing up?

[Kadzar]

Oh, nad that reminds me. Does standing up provoke Sentinel? If it does, does it stop them from standing up?

No, though if they tried to move away, that would provoke and opportunity attack, and, if it landed, that would set their speed to 0, preventing them from standing up. A more reliable method of keeping a prone person down is to use your action to grapple them, as this also  sets their speed to 0 (which can also be used as an Attack action, if you have some form of Extra Attack, as can shoving someone prone, so with a good Athletics score you can pretty reliably have someone prone and and unable to get up or move at all with a single round of effort.)


As for the original question, what I'm most looking forward to in 5e is material for Eberron, hopefully a sourcebook for the setting at least comparable to the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. Things needed for this are probably some improvement to the Warforged race presented in Unearthed Arcana, definitely a proper implementation of the Artificer class (it doesn't work as a Wizard tradition, and I don't know why they thought it would), and likely some adjustment to the base assumption of magic item distribution.

As for something I'd like that may not ever come to fruition, I'd really like some official Spelljammer support. Even just an Unearthed Arcana somewhere down the road would probably make me pretty happy.

[highmax28]

Oh, nad that reminds me. Does standing up provoke Sentinel? If it does, does it stop them from standing up?

No, though if they tried to move away, that would provoke and opportunity attack, and, if it landed, that would set their speed to 0, preventing them from standing up. A more reliable method of keeping a prone person down is to use your action to grapple them, as this also  sets their speed to 0 (which can also be used as an Attack action, if you have some form of Extra Attack, as can shoving someone prone, so with a good Athletics score you can pretty reliably have someone prone and and unable to get up or move at all with a single round of effort.)


As for the original question, what I'm most looking forward to in 5e is material for Eberron, hopefully a sourcebook for the setting at least comparable to the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. Things needed for this are probably some improvement to the Warforged race presented in Unearthed Arcana, definitely a proper implementation of the Artificer class (it doesn't work as a Wizard tradition, and I don't know why they thought it would), and likely some adjustment to the base assumption of magic item distribution.

As for something I'd like that may not ever come to fruition, I'd really like some official Spelljammer support. Even just an Unearthed Arcana somewhere down the road would probably make me pretty happy.

I agree on the artificer class. It didn't feel like it fit artificer, at least in the 4e sense, very well