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[scriver]

If I took this to its natural conclusion

No. That is not it's natural conclusion, that is you being either deliberately obtuse or contrarian and stretching the argument to a point that obviously does not represent what people were saying.

[Jimmy]

As the person who apparently started this whole thing, I have just one thing to add:

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So how about that alignment thing?

Here's one for y'all to chew on: Paying real money for re-rolls.

Situation: A gaming group buys food (pizza, snacks, drinks) for their session. Usually everyone takes turns on paying the tab, except there's always a guy in every group that's out of cash or shows up empty-handed. So the DM starts giving out tokens, valid for one re-roll each session to the person who paid for the chow. The one with no money starts complaining it's pay-to-win.

[UXLZ]

Lawl, I saw that one on GITP too.

I dislike the combination of real world stuff and in game stuff, if I'm honest, but can see what sparked it.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, the basic gist of what I'm saying is that something doesn't have to be a combat encounter to award exp. I don't particularly care what sort of style the DM takes with experience -- I'd be totally okay with NFO's "not awarding exp for months at a time and then doing in one lump based on individual performance" -- I just don't like experience paradigms in which one type of productive behavior is awarded while others are punished.

[Neonivek]

I find it hard to remain invested in a character who can essentially do only one thing, no matter how well he does it...

[Flying Dice]

That's... not what I was talking about. I'm saying that if you only reward people for doing one thing, you're going to reinforce behavioral patterns which orient around that thing. If players know that you only give exp for killing things, most of them are going to build characters who are primarily good at killing things.

That said, it's a bit scummy to punish people for playing their characters in a style they like as opposed to a style the DM likes if there wasn't a pre-campaign notice of "this is what sort of gameplay this campaign will orient around."

[Neonivek]

Ohh I was just moving onto another topic.

I just have a hard time being a character who can only do one thing well no matter how well they do it.

[GiglameshDespair]

Most characters will be reasonably limited outside their role. Jack of all trades, master of none, and all that.

[HFS]

>D&D 1st/2nd edition hybrid with a bunch of house rules
>Party of 3 players decides it's a brilliant idea to attack an enemy with a Vorpal weapon in melee
>Roll for initiative
>Enemy goes first
>3 attacks, gets 3 20's
>Sigh

[UXLZ]

To be fair, 3 20s in a row IS a 1/8000 chance.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, but Murphy's always waiting in the wings for you to get cocky. 

[Gentlefish]

Man, I got a 3-20's roll recently. I gave him +2 to attack against undead with the weapon (a shield spike) and an instant kill for it.

[NullForceOmega]

Sometimes the triple 20 pops up when you least expect it.

Years ago I was in a group that went up against a lich, this had been built up as a very serious encounter, and we didn't expect it to go very well for us.  The first round our mage dropped a fireball on him, and I hit him with lightning, he was smoldering and pissed.  The top of the next round our fighter let fly with an arrow of greater undead slaying, and even though the likely hood of killing in a single shot was almost nil, he triple 20'd.

Most disappointing lich ever.  We almost didn't smash his phylactery as consolation, but then we went ahead and ended him because vengeful liches are bad news.

[Kadzar]

He kept his phylactery nearby? It's like he didn't even want to be a lich (which I guess he wasn't, anymore, once you killed him and smashed his phylactery). Hiding your phylactery somewhere secret and hard to reach is lichdom 101.

[Rolan7]

They're also immune to electricity in 3.5e