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[MrRoboto75]

Poisons were explicitly evil in 1st ed, and most classes were basically banned from use.  Probably to balance the fact that all poison back then was "save or die".

[Kagus]

Hmm... So, talking grapplers luchadores, what do you prefer? A winged tiefling who can (slowly) lift people up for the ultimate slam and potentially grab the barbed skin feat for constant, guaranteed damage...

Or the bugbear brawler with ludicrous lift/drag weight capacity, higher strength and a 10' grappling range to stealthily piledrive enemies via sneaky+surprise attack?

[MrRoboto75]

Hmm... So, talking grapplers luchadores, what do you prefer? A winged tiefling who can (slowly) lift people up for the ultimate slam and potentially grab the barbed skin feat for constant, guaranteed damage...

Or the bugbear brawler with ludicrous lift/drag weight capacity, higher strength and a 10' grappling range to stealthily piledrive enemies via sneaky+surprise attack?

Fluff rouge sneak attack as a surprise german suplex

[Kagus]

Okay, so apparently the bugbear's long reach thing specifically only applies to when making a melee attack while using the attack action on your turn... Meaning that attacks of opportunity and various defensive abilities tied to weapon reach don't get to use the extra 5'.

While "melee attack using attack action" does still include things like grappling attempts, depending on how the time restriction gets interpreted the grapple will be cancelled immediately upon losing the extra reach either at the end of your turn, or instantly after making the attack.


So, yeah, that changes things up a fair bit. Looks like goliaths get to keep the heavyweight title spot, but there's still the potential for a tiefling to accomplish a few things under the right circumstances. The build/strength disparity is quite noticeable, though, especially when dealing with flight...

[Grim Portent]

There is a variant tiefling with +1 Str instead of +1 Int. Zariel Tieflings from page 23 of Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes are +2 Cha/+1 Str and get different spells from normal tieflings.

[Kagus]

There is a variant tiefling with +1 Str instead of +1 Int. Zariel Tieflings from page 23 of Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes are +2 Cha/+1 Str and get different spells from normal tieflings.

I thought variant tieflings could only get the Feral attribute replacement, which is +2 Dex +1 Int? I mean, that's still generally better for someone who gets stuck in a lot, but it's no Str increase.

Still though, Feral + Wings still seems like the best pick for a non-caster tiefling grapplers, as far as overall utility is concerned... Considering Zariel's spells are kinda lackluster if you're planning on doubling down on grappling, since the smites require a weapon.


Even so, +1 strength doesn't quite match +2 strength and racial powerful build. They're definitely fighting in different weight classes, but tieflings can potentially get access to Barbed Hide if you're dipping into UA. Also leveraging the +2 Cha towards a spellcasting grappler if that's more your style.

[Grim Portent]

Mordenkainen's added more tiefling subraces, one for each arch devil that isn't Asmodeus. They give a different +1 stat and have different racial spells. In theory you can still give them wings because they still have spells to trade away.

[Rolan7]

Is Asmodeus the "default" I guess?  Or do his devils avoid anything so unseemly?

[Grim Portent]

5e uses Forgotten Realms as the default setting in some ways, and 5e FR Asmodeus used a big ritual to make all tieflings retroactively 'his' which is why they all look so similar. Mordenkainen's treats Asmodean tieflings as the PHB ones while all the other devils get their own ones.

Demon Lords haven't got any yet and neither do the Yugoloths.

[scriver]

I hate that.

[wierd]

Look, the DnD world does not have Tinder or Craig's List Personals ok?

How do you expect a randy demon lord, in his unholy, enormous visage-- to successfully hook up with human or elven women?  It sure as shit isnt a video dating service.

[Grim Portent]

Eh, 5e also moved away from tieflings and aasimar being descended biologically from trysts with fiends and celestials to a more dark ancestral pact/divine chosen one type of deal anyway. Tieflings are more likely to be the children of cultists than of actual outsiders and aasimar are just chosen babies invested with god powers and an angelic guide to be their Jiminy Cricket.

I preferred the outsider banging myself, felt more mythical to me.

[Draignean]

Look, the DnD world does not have Tinder or Craig's List Personals ok?

How do you expect a randy demon lord, in his unholy, enormous visage-- to successfully hook up with human or elven women?  It sure as shit isnt a video dating service.

The solution is, as always, Sending.

Extremely *hawt* lord looking for casual encounter. Come to Desolation's Parallax at mid-winter when the third moon is gibbous to see my enormous castle.

There, a 25 word sending that's sure to get the attention of all the ladies. 

[wierd]

Look, the DnD world does not have Tinder or Craig's List Personals ok?

How do you expect a randy demon lord, in his unholy, enormous visage-- to successfully hook up with human or elven women?  It sure as shit isnt a video dating service.

The solution is, as always, Sending.

Extremely *hawt* lord looking for casual encounter. Come to Desolation's Parallax at mid-winter when the third moon is gibbous to see my enormous castle.

There, a 25 word sending that's sure to get the attention of all the ladies.

In other news-- the futures market for short copper wires has exploded, and migraine pills tailored for demon lords are the new alchemical wonder of the century, as hundreds of thousands of women are allowed to immediately respond to the mass-sendings sent by desperate demonic singles, and the materials required for the mass sending cause market failures across multiple planes of existence.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So the temporary end of the A Side campaign concluded with us accidentally/intentionally (depending on party member) flooding the ancestral home of the dwarfs by Shattering an already damaged tunnel underneath a river, because we were merking the dragon we talked our way out of fighting months ago IRL. And got a bunch of young paladins killed in the process. I may have considered PvPing the perpetrator of this wholly unnecessary outcome in what was about to be a great triumph.

So that's it for A Side for now. B Side, which is supposed to be the loose cannon campaign, continues from its oneshot roots in two weeks...