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[FallacyofUrist]

That is why we never give up even when a vast majority of people are voting you.
I almost lynched scum.
You almost got lynched.
Good game.

[DoctorMcTaalik]

Note, however, that I had a huge confirmation bias; after you flipflopped on your position on Fallacy, I was certain you two were a scum team. I subsequently overthought every little thing you did.

[Graknorke]

On that note, can we please talk about

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Self

and how it is literally the worst possible thing (besides outright claiming to be scum I guess but that would never happen).
A town player has absolutely no motivation to vote for themselves, and scum only have the motivation of doing it to try and look like they don't care, which is still a terrible way to do it. It is in effect a perfect scumtell, seeing as how the only possible benefit for the player would be if they were scum trying to make themselves look pitiable or actually not concerned for their own survival.

[DoctorMcTaalik]

On that note, can we please talk about

...
Self

and how it is literally the worst possible thing (besides outright claiming to be scum I guess but that would never happen).
A town player has literally no motivation to vote for themselves, and scum only have the motivation of doing it to try and look like they don't care, which is still a terrible way to do it.

Yep. That should have been held against me, honestly. I guess he just gave up?

[Graknorke]

Replacements are kind of weird, because a lot of the time they can't know the reasoning behind what's been done in the past, so it's not easy to really get a satisfactory answer out of it.

Oh and about satisfactory answers; FoU, parroting the phrase "temporary noob insanity" over and over doesn't make it sound any better with repetition. It'd've been better if you'd just apologised and moved on rather than trying to excuse it in a kind of dishonest way (trying to declare it irrelevant and saying that everyone agrees that it's not important, even though both are not the case). You fuck up that bad, you grovel

[FallacyofUrist]

Add that to my list of things not to do in my next game of mafia.

[Persus13]

On that note, can we please talk about

...
Self

and how it is literally the worst possible thing (besides outright claiming to be scum I guess but that would never happen).
A town player has absolutely no motivation to vote for themselves, and scum only have the motivation of doing it to try and look like they don't care, which is still a terrible way to do it. It is in effect a perfect scumtell, seeing as how the only possible benefit for the player would be if they were scum trying to make themselves look pitiable or actually not concerned for their own survival.

Voting yourself is a terrible idea but its not a scumtell. Voting yourself is not playing to win and neither scum nor town benefit in any way from a self vote. I've rarely ever seen a scum player vote themselves before, and it is more common that it occurs in new players who are stressed out with the game.

Similarly, these posts are what made me the most annoyed in the game:

That says scum.

Note in the first post, one of the rules is "play to win". I hope that doesn't count as quoting the mod, but I don't thank it should. That defense is- that isn't a defense.

You could have logiced it out, tried to actually fight for your survival. Instead... you just gave up. That, plus a double dose of passiveness, marks you as scum. This makes me want to keep my vote on you even more.

This is likely your last chance to logically explain why you are not scum instead of being passive noobscum. Please, explain thoroughly, or suffer the consequences.

That isn't a defence. A defence would look at your actions before now and your motives doing them to show that it's things that it wouldn't make sense for scum to do.
Then again, that might be hard for you since a good portion of your posts so far have been bordering on shitposting, or at the very least of no real substance in terms of trying to root out the match fixers. Instead you just kind of weakly recycle arguments like you want to stay out of it. You're doing that right now, even. I don't know if you thought that giving up would make people think you're town, but it won't.

Ninjad: And this ended up being pretty much what Fallacy said.

Giving up when facing a lynch is not a scumtell, its an inevitable response to an untenable situation. Could he have gone out better, yes. But his giving up and claiming his role is not a scumtell.

To quote my scumchat post: "Wow, Graknorke and Fallacy are not being nice to hiddenleafguy about his last posts. Seriously, its obvious that leaf is on a phone and can't make long posts, doesn't take the game as seriously as the others think he should, failed to defend himself, and is making newbie mistakes. None of these mean he's scum."

Things to be more mindful of was McCoder's preoccupation with his towniness and bandwagoning on other players D1, as well as Doctor McTallk's post with good reads, but failing to actually vote anyone.

[FallacyofUrist]

Hm. Things I should have noticed. Pity.
Ah well. In fact, when I look back at it, Urist McCoder was more scummy than hiddenleafguy- moreover, hiddenleafguy's only reason for being lynched was a lack of defense while Urist McCoder had a lot more issues with his play.

[Graknorke]

Honestly I probably voted for HLG because the really flippant attitude was getting on my nerves. I could probably have rationalised it later but it wouldn't have been entirely true.

[H4zardZ1]

Guess bussing myself didn't work. And i was seriously trying hard to suicide too.
I should've responded with the prod with "I am scum, plz lynch me"

[Teneb]

Worse than abandoning the game or just vanishing is ruining it for everyone else too. Don't do that.

[Tiruin]

Giving up when facing a lynch is not a scumtell, its an inevitable response to an untenable situation. Could he have gone out better, yes. But his giving up and claiming his role is not a scumtell.

This, newbies. Y'all should discern when the real speaker are your emotions [which may play a bias towards the person in question] or your rationality [which is independent of temporal effects in order to make a critical judgement].

The latter is a crucial element to a good player's arsenal.

Also don't vote yourself if you feel just like giving up--either let the time slide while checking the state of the game, or inquire further.

[Tomasque]

When will there be another Beginner's Mafia game?

[Teneb]

When will there be another Beginner's Mafia game?

You mean this one that has also finished. Also, we have a beginner thread. It is stickied at the top of the board.

[Tawa]

When will there be another Beginner's Mafia game?

You mean this one that has also finished. Also, we have a beginner thread. It is stickied at the top of the board.

To be fair, the beginners' thread is out of date, as it links to this thread as the "current game".