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Author Topic: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi  (Read 3750 times)

Arkan15

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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2007, 12:30:00 am »

Like so:

code:

*******
*=====*
*=====*
*=====*
*=====*
*=====*
*****D*
*_____*
*D*****
*_____D -> rest of fort
*******

* = wall, D = door, = = stockpile, _ = hallway


Set one craftsdwarf's workshop to make bone bolts on repeat and another to make totems on repeat and it doesn't fill up; the chances of all the doors being open at the same time is almost nil; and if any miasma does go out it won't go very far.

[ December 03, 2007: Message edited by: Arkan15 ]

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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2007, 06:01:00 am »

code:

====
=..=
=++=
=++=
=##=
=++=
=++=
=##=
=++=


= Wall
. Pit/Dump
+ Floor
# Door
100% miasma proof dump
If you have your dump close to the surface you can make a chimney to further the effect. For stockpiles wait until you see miasma then make a few chimneys above that area.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2007, 09:03:00 am »

I've always used double-doors in my trash room, also to prevent animals from getting in.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2007, 09:37:00 am »

I kind of wedged my refuse stockpile in a space I happened to have jammed in-between my butcher's shop and craftsdwarf shop. Never given me any problems.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2007, 11:11:00 am »

quote:
Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>I basically just build a meat locker.  The only ones who get a blast of foul air are the butchers and peasants, and that's just when they open the door.

But, if it's close to the surface, I'll build a sort of chimney for it to the outside.  That way, it gets considered "outside" by the game, so no miasma is created.</STRONG>


I don't think this works...  I've carved away outside areas against a cliff face and had miasma develop there.  I think if it was ever considered "inside" it will allow miasma to form.

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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2010, 01:14:56 pm »

All my refuse is thrown down a 1x1 shaft that goes all the way to the bottom of the map. The only reason that they ever encounter miasma is because the lazy bastards won't throw out corpses without me actually marking it to be dumped.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2010, 01:37:12 pm »

Just a store room with a closed door like any other store room. If I'm feeling really efficient I'll put a refuse pile at the surface for stuff that rots and a separate one underground near the craft workshops for stuff that won't.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2010, 01:48:31 pm »

I try to make chimneys above food processing areas to reduce miasma. I've found there's a certain square that the miasma generates from (the actual work table) and above that I have a 1x1 chimney.

The refuse piles though. Well that depends on the fort. In one I built a large platform in an open-air chasm that served to ventilate the refuse pile and no miasma was created. I used that same chasm to dump excess water from my indoor river. The dwarves enjoyed the waterfall they saw.

Most of the time I just put 'em outside though. A typical "merchant area" is a number of large stockpiles surrounding a fortified and protected storage tower (can go up, down or both) and around those stockpiles lie the workshops. The storage tower is directly connected with generous paths to the trade depot.
Shops are located in that area as well.

I seek to minimize hauling, bring as much work "noise" as possible to one location far from the living quarters and make for efficient trading/ohgodstophaulingitemstothedepottheresadragoncoming
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2010, 01:55:54 pm »

Hey, I never thought of doing something like that.  Then again, I didn't know that miasma stopped at diagonals.

I dug this out, dumped the stone, smoothed the stone and then laid out three 1 column wide refuse piles.  Seems like it will work. Big room for only 24 cells, though.

Oh, and I designated the piles as restricted traffic areas.  Should prevent a dwarf coming in from the top from zig-zagging down the pile.



Other than an overlooked cat-killed vermin corpse that rots while I've got every spare dwarf dumping stone this should get rid of every miasma I could get.  I never have any on workshops, that is just a matter of placing stockpiles properly.

It is sad how many people are replying without reading and/or understanding the point of the original post. Come on people, it isn't about keeping miasma out of your fort it is about keeping people putting things into and taking things out of your refuse piles from getting tagged with miasma.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2010, 02:34:50 pm »

Has anyone managed to make a system that "washes" the front of their fort/the goblin-killing zone? I'd like to have a system where I

1) drowned the gobbies
2) washed all their crap into a side chamber where it could decay
3) drained the water from that chamber and let dwarves collect bones, cloth, etc.

Seems like it should be doable with water and grates, I'm just not sure how.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2010, 05:33:05 pm »

Haven't built too complicated traps myself yet but...

http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Trap_design

Look at the water traps part.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2010, 07:23:57 pm »

I generally keep it outside in a large area encircled by walls, accessible only from stairs beneath the ground. This both keeps the refuse outside and protects my dwarves from harm. This doesn't always keep cat-carried corpses from spreading miasma, but then again, that's usually because half my dwarves that are assigned the refuse hauling labor are off hauling ruddy stone instead.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2010, 09:09:24 pm »

I always keep my refuse piles outside my fort (except for bones and shells), within my courtyard. Don't see any reason to do something more complicated. It helps that my two courtyards are heavily defended at the far ends, I guess.
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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2010, 01:12:59 am »

I have a big chamber near a butcher shop for refuse that the maisma can't go through and which accepts all refuse. Outside of the fort there is a smaller one for non-butcherable corpses and chunks and remains and anything that makes miasma; with a get from order on the inside stockpile. The dwarves bring all non-butcherable corpses, vermin remains, and chunks from butchering and lay it outside. This includes dead dwarves and pieces of them. The corpses rot into bones and skulls, the bones aren't permitted in the outside refuse pile and are hauled inside so they don't disappear. Also, my statue garden/meeting area is on top of the outdoors corpse stockpile right at the entrance to the fort so my dwarfs spend their days partying on top of a mound of rotten food, dead animals, goblins and kobolds and the occasional rotting baby.

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Re: How do you organize your refuse stockpile to minimize mi
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2010, 01:42:48 am »

I've never had a problem with miasma before because I always put the butcher/tanner and the corpse pile outside somewhere.  Just recently I noticed I was getting a lot of miasma inside in one of my caverns - it turns out that olms from the cave river were being killed by cave spiders, and I didn't have a pile that allowed 'remains', which are vermin corpses.  So now I have a temporary pile under the main floor behind a door and that seems to be enough to keep out pretty much all miasma.
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