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[tryrar]

Anyway, I don't care so much about hairsplitting as about streamlining production, and 6mm seems a bit too low for an eventual assault rifle.

If the round is too small then there the option of a .45 based round.

...and I'm the escaped lunatic...
Hey! How come my title reverted from "Escaped Lunatic" back to "Bay Watcher"?

Anyhow, .45 is 11.43mm, which seems a more likely caliber for the Franco-Prussian war than for 1937... unless you're from the USA; Americans seem to have an unholy love affair with that caliber.

Until we switched to 9mm for some odd reason (I know it was for NATO standardization, but still )

[Maegil]

Still, 7.62 is a nice caliber, and the weight saved from going from 54 to 39mm in length will allow out squad machine gunners to have more ammunition.
Now we should capture an MG34 in Spain, reverse engineer it, simplify it and improve on it, and come up with our own MG42 Plokhoy zipsaw.

[Aseaheru]

Edit
Is this still current?

Spoiler: POAF Personnel (click to show/hide)

Standing Military Forces
 Naval     : 300
 Tank      : 34
 Infantry  : 3400
 Engineering: 175
 Medical   : 25
Reserve Forces
 Naval     : ~200
 Tank      : ~20
 Infantry  : ~2600
 Engineering: ~825
 Medical   : ~175
 Untrained : ~7000

Untapped personnel: ~7580

Nope!

I want to ask Asa if we need a design action to update our destroyers with all the new tech we've developed(the radar, the 130mm guns, the ASW systems, the radio), as that would be something we'd want to do(especially the 130mm guns since they can provide some respectable shore bombardment!)

Yes and no. The inital ship was built with space for ASW systems, radios, and similar stuff, which means they could be dumped on. 130mm guns will need a refit, with more than two engineers, and those a generic and an architect. However, once the refits done you can just use that as the plan for future ships.

I believe it's like this:
If we assign both workers and a design team to build a vessel, they'll automatically update/vary the design depending on the currently available stuff. See the Kloun Bychok, for example, which includes radio, radar and ASW systems. I don't know whether they'll actually do huge updates (like using 130mm instead of 105mm guns, which'll probably have quite a few after-effects).
If we only assign workers, they'll build a copy of the design, no variation.

Actually, you still need designers. The upgrades depend on howmuch the rolls overshoot.

[tryrar]

About what I figured. If we were to retool/build a new line this turn, would we have enough guns to refit at least one ship? Because I'd like to do that this turn

[Funk]

Anyway, I don't care so much about hairsplitting as about streamlining production, and 6mm seems a bit too low for an eventual assault rifle.

If the round is too small then there the option of a .45 based round.

...and I'm the escaped lunatic...
Anyhow, .45 is 11.43mm, which seems a more likely caliber for the Franco-Prussian war than for 1937... unless you're from the USA; Americans seem to have an unholy love affair with that caliber.

Until we switched to 9mm for some odd reason (I know it was for NATO standardization, but still )

It not my first choice of round but if we need a lot of power then 11x35mm fascist thumper is on the cards.

On the Plokhoy zipsaw why wait?

This is totally not two M-1 Machinegun bolted together like a Gast gun

Spoiler: Plokhoy zipsaw (click to show/hide)

Plokhoy zipsaw MG
A twin barrelled fire arm  with an intresting design both barrels share a linked action where the recoil from firing one loads the the other.

To help smooth out the loading a revolving drum, this removes the cartridges from the belt and feeds them in to the breech.
This linked action lets both guns fire in time with each other and minimize the recoil.

The barrels are removable and fitted with muzzle breaks.
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The goal here is to get the maxim rounds number per minute in as smaller package as we can.

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Weight: 25 kg
ction: Intrlinked Recoil-operated with a Rotating Open bolt
Cartridge:        7.62×54mmR
Rate of fire:   2700-3000 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity:    762 m/s (2,500 ft/s)
Effective firing range    2000+ m
Feed system:    Side mounted belt, or drum (50 and 75 round drums standard)
Sights:    Iron sights calibrated to 2000 meters in 100 meter increments.

[tryrar]

...Huh, I didn't even know the Gast gun was a thing! That actually sounds like something that might be practical for an aircraft cannon(especially if we can actually get belt feeds) or an emplacement gun. Hell, think of a 20mm AA gun on one of our destroyers using this principle, and the firerate that can produce!

[3_14159]

Gun discussions

I really don't care (much) about calibre. I'll let you figure it out.

About what I figured. If we were to retool/build a new line this turn, would we have enough guns to refit at least one ship? Because I'd like to do that this turn

We can produce six guns per turn on a specialized production line. This should be enough to outfit a single vessel. However, I don't know which line to assign.

This is totally not two M-1 Machinegun bolted together like a Gast gun

Please, let's not equip our troops with that. I think our current MG is good enough.

[Aseaheru]

Its 25 kilo, I dont think many soldiers will willingly carry that, and probably wont be able to for long.
Also, Im amazed that none of you guys have looked up what it was used in and proposed one of those systems...

[tryrar]

Yeah, I agree. We can use that for an aircraft gun/AA gun, but not an MG(at least not one you'd want troops to use). I was just commenting on using the tech that way, not agreeing in any way on giving our troops yet ANOTHER MG

[Maegil]

On the Plokhoy zipsaw why wait?

This is totally not two M-1 Machinegun bolted together like a Gast gun

Spoiler: Plokhoy zipsaw (click to show/hide)

Plokhoy zipsaw MG
A twin barrelled fire arm  with an intresting design both barrels share a linked action where the recoil from firing one loads the the other.

To help smooth out the loading a revolving drum, this removes the cartridges from the belt and feeds them in to the breech.
This linked action lets both guns fire in time with each other and minimize the recoil.

The barrels are removable and fitted with muzzle breaks.
----------------
The goal here is to get the maxim rounds number per minute in as smaller package as we can.

----------------
Weight: 25 kg
ction: Intrlinked Recoil-operated with a Rotating Open bolt
Cartridge:        7.62×54mmR
Rate of fire:   2700-3000 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity:    762 m/s (2,500 ft/s)
Effective firing range    2000+ m
Feed system:    Side mounted belt, or drum (50 and 75 round drums standard)
Sights:    Iron sights calibrated to 2000 meters in 100 meter increments.

If they're M1-based and have the same muzzle velocity, the range should be >1200m and the fire rate 1800~2000 RPM. Too heavy to be lugged about by the infantry, but a perfect fit for anywhere there's a vehicular hardpoint (and a lavish ammo stash).

Since we're at it, this could go on the POAC H/L turrets or anywhere there's a permanent emplacement:

Spoiler: Plokhoy Stitcher HMG (click to show/hide)

(Totally not the abominable love child of a ShKAS with the DShK).

The barrels are removable and fitted with muzzle breaks.
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Weight: 34 kg
Length: 1,625 mm
Barrel length: 1,070 mm
Crew: 1+
Action: Gas with rotary feeding mechanism
Cartridge: 12.7×108mm
Rate of fire: 2000 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 850 m/s
Effective firing range: 2000+ m
Feed system:    belt
Sights: Iron sights calibrated to 2500 meters in 100 meter increments, optional optics with range finder.

and this, on the bomber turrets, fighters, and ships:

Spoiler: Plokhoy Shredder Twin HMG (click to show/hide)

(Two Stichers Gasted together).

The barrels are removable and fitted with muzzle breaks.
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Weight: 70 kg
Length: 1,625 mm
Barrel length: 1,070 mm
Crew: 1+
Action: Gast principle connecting gas with rotary feeding mechanism
Cartridge: 12.7×108mm
Rate of fire: 4000 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 850 m/s
Effective firing range: 2000+ m
Feed system:    belt
Sights: Optics with range finder.

That's too much for a single R&D run, but we can queue them.

...Huh, I didn't even know the Gast gun was a thing! That actually sounds like something that might be practical for an aircraft cannon(especially if we can actually get belt feeds) or an emplacement gun. Hell, think of a 20mm AA gun on one of our destroyers using this principle, and the firerate that can produce!

I don't need to imagine, there's the Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23's 3,400-3,600 RPM. The thing is, it was used on fighters and bomber turrets, where you have very short windows of opportunity.

[tryrar]

I'd not do any more MGs for a while since we have enough right now.

[Maegil]

I'd not do any more MGs for a while since we have enough right now.

Fine by me, what we have is sufficient for now - it's not as if we're facing the British or something...

Back to standarization, what should be our small arms main round? I'll vote for having the 7.62x39mm as standard for everything except sniper rifles (the scoped RM1891 Mosin-Nagants) and MMGs (the MM1934 M1) on 7.62x54mmR, and HMGs, for which I'd recommend 12.7x108mm.

[Funk]

...Huh, I didn't even know the Gast gun was a thing! That actually sounds like something that might be practical for an aircraft cannon(especially if we can actually get belt feeds) or an emplacement gun. Hell, think of a 20mm AA gun on one of our destroyers using this principle, and the firerate that can produce!

Right now the fire storm has a total RPM of 2,800 for its 20mm cannons (700 per gun x 4 = 2,800)
and 1800-2000 RPM of MG (900-1000 per gun X 2 = 1800-2000)

Fireing times are about 5 seconds of cannon fire and a full 30 of the machine guns.

So i don't think theres any need to increase it fire rate.


On standardization:
.45 acp for pistols and submacheguns
6x40mm for light rifles
7.62x54mmR for MG and rifles
And for heavy machine guns not less than 12mm ideal 13mm+

Heavy Snipers use some thing stupidly large so they can shoot trough walls and tanks,

Spoiler: some thing like this (click to show/hide)

[coleslaw35]

Spoiler: some thing like this (click to show/hide)

There's something really comical about this image, but I'm not quite able to pinpoint it. Maybe it's just the fact that such a big gun is simply towed by a man on a bicycle. Would you happen to know what year that photo picture/drawing is from? EDIT: That thing is either A) A very life-like drawing. or B) A poorly taken photograph. I can not tell anymore.
EDIT: I am dumb. A little examining of the link would reveal it is a TB41 anti-tank rifle which was around WW2, I think. I'm not finding any production dates though, again probably cus' I'm dumb.

Which makes me wonder, maybe if we really needed to, we could do the same. Now, I'm not saying we design a bike. I'm just curious as to how effective it'd be. If it seems like it could help in certain situations, maybe we could import some bikes from, say, an American bicycle manufacturer.

Also, infantry anti-tank weapons may want to be looked into before WW2 rolls about.

[tryrar]

Well, that particular gun was pretty damn lightweight(it was only 131 kg with mount) so it was easy to transport by bike. I doubt the same can be said for our artillery pieces.

As for an AT gun, since we have SOME experience with rockets, we might go for a bazooka. Or we can go for a portable squeeze-bore AT rifle like the 2.8cm sPzB 41.