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[coleslaw35]

If we need to spike the guns then a little termite is the answer, it'll safely melt the guns.

Hm. Alright. Sounds good.

Maybe we should try to build these in other places as well as Valencia. Is there any particular reason you chose Valencia in the first place?

Plus, these could probably work really well for coastal defense on our own shores.

[Funk]

If we need to spike the guns then a little termite is the answer, it'll safely melt the guns.

Hm. Alright. Sounds good.

Maybe we should try to build these in other places as well as Valencia. Is there any particular reason you chose Valencia in the first place?

Plus, these could probably work really well for coastal defense on our own shores.

There no particular reason for Valencia other than it being coastal, looking to the future Madrid is due a 3 year long siege   with the city partially surrounded, that should be a real test of the bunkers defences.

There probably need a bigger gun for coastal defence and maybe a direct Anti tank gun.
Right now the 'HiLo' Cannons cover long range, the 20mm AA guns are well the AA, and for keeping infantry back theres the Automatic Mortars and Machineguns.

[3_14159]

If we need to spike the guns then a little termite is the answer, it'll safely melt the guns.

Hm. Alright. Sounds good.

Maybe we should try to build these in other places as well as Valencia. Is there any particular reason you chose Valencia in the first place?

Plus, these could probably work really well for coastal defense on our own shores.

There no particular reason for Valencia other than it being coastal, looking to the future Madrid is due a 3 year long siege   with the city partially surrounded, that should be a real test of the bunkers defences.

There probably need a bigger gun for coastal defence and maybe a direct Anti tank gun.
Right now the 'HiLo' Cannons cover long range, the 20mm AA guns are well the AA, and for keeping infantry back theres the Automatic Mortars and Machineguns.

We have the 86.7mm ATHM1933 anti-tank gun.

I'm not sure it's going to be worth it, since we'd probably need to dispatch at least a labour team to spain (which is then augmented with local volunteers). And we definitely need labour teams for the naval factory, for many more ammo factories and so on.

[coleslaw35]

I'm not sure it's going to be worth it, since we'd probably need to dispatch at least a labour team to spain (which is then augmented with local volunteers). And we definitely need labour teams for the naval factory, for many more ammo factories and so on.

While we may not be able to build them now, we should definitely consider them in the future for key defensive positions on Plokhoy Ostrov in the case of an invasion.

Also, I'm sure the answer will be a No, but would Plokhoy Ostrov's climate be able to support silkworms? If not, would it be possible to build a specially designed climate controlled greenhouse for mulberry trees in which we set silkworms? Would the silk produced be of any significance? I'm asking because I read up a bit on bullet resistant materials and silk seemed to be very capable in that department. I was thinking of silk wrapped steel plates for vest insertions for extra stronkness.

[Aseaheru]

Nope, Yes, and not really.

[coleslaw35]

Nope, Yes, and not really.

Just curious.

Alright, so here are the current proposals:

Designs:
D1.1:

Spoiler: Mk1 Interchangeable Load Carrier "Iron Ox" (click to show/hide)

Mk1 interchangeable load carrier "Iron Ox"

A Large Support Truck
It has a conventional cab with the engine out front and 8X8 all-wheel drive.

It should have locking differentials and a low range transmission for off road use.

The load bed is mounted on heavy duty leaf springs and linked to the three soild beam axles.
The rear three axles mount dual wheels.

Engine: SDE M1933 x 4 linked

Length: 7.2 m
Width: 2.3 M
Height: 2.5 M

Weight:
(12,000 kg) empty
(18,500 kg) loaded

Load bed: 5m
Payload: 6000KG
7000KG Towed (off road)

Modules:

A detachable tank of 3000L
20mm AA mount
Mortar mount
Motor support/ tank recovery
Artillery support
Soft Covered storage/transport

   D1.2:

Spoiler: POAC variants (click to show/hide)

In order of priority, the following POAC variants are to be introduced:
POAC-C:
Cargo-Carrier POAC. Remove all of the armour, and only armour the driver's cabin against small-arms and splinters (about 6mm). The loading plane should be flat, with mounts for securing loaded equipment, canvas cover etc. Should also include a tow hitch.

M-POAC-F:
Mountable fuel tank for the POAC-C.

POAC-M:
Mortar carrier poac. Variant of the POAC-C, mounting an EAM mortar, ammunition and a battery for firing the first.

POAC-A:
If the artillery gun is finished, see if you can mount it on a POAC-C. Include splinter protection for the artillery crew.

D2:

Spoiler: Firestorm Interceptor (click to show/hide)

Fire storm interceptor
All metal mono plane, with an enclosed armoured cockpit, an engine mounted to the rear of pilot and a pusher prop.

Armour: 8mm of nickel-molybdenum steel plate around the cockpit.
13 mm plate of  nickel-molybdenum steel on the back of the seat.
2mm fire wall between the pilot and the fuel tanks.

Weapons: 2x M-1 Machineguns in wing roots with 500 belts rounds per gun.
4 X 20mm cannons in the nose with 60 round drums

Engine: 2 x "Hurricane" aero engine 1500HP
Crew: 1 pilot

Wingspan: 12 m
Length: 13 m
Empty weight: 3225 kg

edit
The Pilot's seat should have an oxygen feed line for his mask.

D3:

Spoiler: 105mm Artillery Cannon (click to show/hide)

A modified AATSM1933 'HiLo' cannon, this is mounted on a carriage. It trades the autoloader for a more field-maintainable (and cheaper) horizontal-sliding block breech and manual load system (= humans). Instead of the one-piece shell of the HiLo cannon, the ammo used int he new Artillery Cannon consists of one shell, which is propelled by up to three (identical) cased charges.
Include a tow hitch to be towed both by the POAC and whatever truck we design.

(Inspiration: British BL 4.5-inch field gun, German 10cm sK 18, Russian M1932/37.

D4:

Spoiler: D-RN-M1937 Naval Radar (click to show/hide)

Continuing with their work on the D-R-M1936, the D-RN is an improved model with a smaller antenna, usable for mounting on ships.

D5:

Spoiler: Facilitators (Infantry load-bearing equipment and vest) (click to show/hide)

Individual pouches in different sizes that can be buckled together or worn with a main vest rig. This'll allow for a high amount of customization to suit the wants and needs of the person wearing the vest. The pouches can also be buckled together without the use of the vest in order to form rigs of varying sizes and straps that allow the loosening/tightening of the buckled rig. These buckles would allows pouches to be buckled together without the main vest in order to make cargo belts, bandoliers, etc.

 The vest will look similar to that of a modern-day kevlar vest, but it is made of strong cloth with default pockets in key areas (Chest, Lower torso, back, etc.). These default pockets (which are woven into the vest) allow for the insertion of things like steel plates to help protect the unit wearing the vest.

The two parts are not dependent on each other, (you could make a series of pouches and straps into a vest/bandolier/belt, etc. if you'd like) but it is recommended that the vest be worn with it for more buckling sites.

Construction
C1: Continue the naval factory (with the drydock)
C2: Build a four-line ammo factory
C3: Build a four-line large arms factory
C4: Build a four-line infantry equipment factory
C5:

Spoiler: "Citadels of Valencia" (click to show/hide)

Four reinforced concrete bunkers for mounting heavy AA guns.

Crew: 300
Size: 50m X 50m x 40m
Walls to be made of reinforced concrete 2.5 meters thick
Roof to be made of reinforced concrete 1.5 meters thick

Armament
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4 'HiLo' 105mm Cannons.
20 CA-AAA-M1935 20mm AA guns.

2 EAM M1932 Automatic Mortars.
16 M-1 Machineguns.
1 SDE M1933 Diesel engine to run a generator.
1 D-R-M1936 radio.

8 SMM1934 Double submachine guns or 16 Winchester M1897 trench shotguns for internal defence.

Acquisition


Free

My only complaint with Funk's Iron Ox truck is that it'd be a bigger target, nonetheless, and that it may be too expensive to build many at once.

I feel that if we don't go for the Iron Ox but still want more supply throughput capabilities, we'll have to design an intermediate truck. I've been thinking along the lines of something like the Soviet ZIS-5:

Spoiler: ZIS-5 (click to show/hide)

As shown in the picture, it could also be used to tow artillery and such.

[3_14159]

My only complaint with Funk's Iron Ox truck is that it'd be a bigger target, nonetheless, and that it may be too expensive to build many at once.

For front-line use, such a heavy truck is generally vulnerable (and can't compensate with numbers) and probably less off-road capable. Of course, a few dozen kilometers behind our lines, they should have an amazing throughput.

I feel that if we don't go for the Iron Ox but still want more supply throughput capabilities, we'll have to design an intermediate truck. I've been thinking along the lines of something like the Soviet ZIS-5:

Spoiler: ZIS-5 (click to show/hide)

As shown in the picture, it could also be used to tow artillery and such.

Or the GMC CCKW which, compared to the ZIS-5, is probably more expensive but more off-road capable.

[Aseaheru]

Ready for stage one of votes?

[coleslaw35]

Ready for stage one of votes?

I'll just throw this into the voting pool in case:

Spoiler: PO-1 (click to show/hide)

The PO-1 is a general use supply truck that holds more supplies than the cargo POACs. It can:
-tow/haul equipment
-Transport supplies
-Outfitted to serve specific tasks with little work (Ambulance, Engineering truck, etc.)

Two SDE1933 engines.
Looks similar to the ZIS-5
Includes the ability to attach steel plates to the sides and back of the cargo area to serve as extra protection.

[3_14159]

Ready for stage one of votes?

We still need an industry assignment, especially for the LA-factory not given to Spain. Let me cook up a small-ish proposal:
F1: Retool Factory LA2 to produce M1932 40mmAAA Cannon and CA-AAA-M1935 guns.

Also, another proposal, since we are not producing enough engines for the POAC, and will probably need to produce more vehicles soon:
C6: Vehicle Production Complex:
One factory with four production lines for vehicular engines,
One factory with two production lines for vehicles.
Build 2/1 first, then add the other 2/1.

Spoiler: Voting List: (click to show/hide)

Designs:
D1.1: Iron Ox 6t carrier and variants
D1.2: POAC variants
D1.3: PO-1 truck
D2: Firestorm interceptor
D3: 105mm Artillery Cannon
D4: Naval Radar
D5: Facilitators (Load-Bearing Equipment and Vest)

Construction
C1: Continue the naval factory (with the drydock)
C2: Build a four-line ammo factory
C3: Build a four-line large arms factory
C4: Build a four-line infantry equipment factory
C5: "Citadels of Valencia"
C6: Vehicle factory

Acquisition


Free
F1: Tooling of new LA2 factory

This, by the way, marks the first time we have three competing designs.

[coleslaw35]

Would it be better to make the AT guns instead of the 40mm AA?

[3_14159]

Would it be better to make the AT guns instead of the 40mm AA?

There are three cannons we currently have shortfalls of:
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -5.0
ATHM1933 [87.6mm AT gun]: -3.0
CA-AAA-M1935 [20mm AA gun]: -11.25
The 40mm AAA cannon is used on several ships and our AA defenses; the ATHM1933 is only used on the Shockwave FAC, and the 20mm gun is also used on several ships and our AA defenses. Basically, by not producing the ATHM1933, we underequip our Shockwave craft (at 2 cannons per craft). By not producing any of the others, we'd underequip our planes, AA defenses and also Shockwave craft (it's using 2 40mm AAA cannons).

That's why I prefer the 40mm AAA.

[Funk]

Buy more shotguns.

Spoiler: Voting List: (click to show/hide)

Designs:
D1.1: Iron Ox 6t carrier and variants
D1.2: POAC variants
Funk
D1.3: PO-1 truck
D2: Firestorm interceptor
Funk
D3: 105mm Artillery Cannon
D4: Naval Radar
Funk
D5: Facilitators (Load-Bearing Equipment and Vest)
Funk
Construction
C1: Continue the naval factory (with the drydock)
Funk
C2: Build a four-line ammo factory
C3: Build a four-line large arms factory
Funk
C4: Build a four-line infantry equipment factory
C5: "Citadels of Valencia"
Funk
C6: Vehicle factory

Acquisition
A1: Shotguns
Funk

Free
F1: Tooling of new LA2 factory
Funk

This, by the way, marks the first time we have three competing designs.

It's more three over laping designs, the Iron Ox is massive it can move alot of cargo and pull the heavy guns about, the POAC cargo is the go any where tansport, and the PO-1 truck is the small cheap transport, it can't go where the POAC C can or carry the same load as the Iron Ox.

[coleslaw35]

Spoiler: Voting List: (click to show/hide)

Designs:
D1.1: Iron Ox 6t carrier and variants
D1.2: POAC variants
Funk, Coleslaw
D1.3: PO-1 truck
D2: Firestorm interceptor
Funk, Coleslaw
D3: 105mm Artillery Cannon based off the HiLo
Coleslaw
D4: Naval Radar
Funk
D5: Facilitators (Load-Bearing Equipment and Vest)
Funk, Coleslaw

Construction
C1: Continue the naval factory (with the drydock)
Funk, Coleslaw
C2: Build a four-line ammo factory
Coleslaw
C3: Build a four-line large arms factory
Funk, Coleslaw
C4: Build a four-line infantry equipment factory
C5: "Citadels of Valencia"
Funk
C6: Vehicle factory

Acquisition
A1: Shotguns
Funk
ABSTAIN: Coleslaw

Free
F1: Tooling of new LA2 factory
Funk, Coleslaw

I mean, what kind of shotguns are you intending for us to look for? Just shotguns in general? Whatever we can get our hands on? Shotguns believed to be the best of their kind?

I'll abstain from the More Shotguns vote until Funk gives some more details.

Also, Aseaheru, what factory type would the Facilitators need to be built in?

[3_14159]

I assume that A1 means "Acquire more Winchester Shotguns", but until then, I'll abstain too.
And I assume that the factory type for Facilitators is "Equipment".
Voting for:
D1.2, D2, D3
C1, C2, C6,
A1: Abstain
F1: Yes

Spoiler: Voting List: (click to show/hide)

Designs:
D1.1: Iron Ox 6t carrier and variants
D1.2: POAC variants
Funk, Coleslaw, 3_14159
D1.3: PO-1 truck
D2: Firestorm interceptor
Funk, Coleslaw, 3_14159
D3: 105mm Artillery Cannon based off the HiLo
Coleslaw, 3_14159
D4: Naval Radar
Funk
D5: Facilitators (Load-Bearing Equipment and Vest)
Funk, Coleslaw

Construction
C1: Continue the naval factory (with the drydock)
Funk, Coleslaw, 3_14159
C2: Build a four-line ammo factory
Coleslaw, 3_14159
C3: Build a four-line large arms factory
Funk, Coleslaw
C4: Build a four-line infantry equipment factory
C5: "Citadels of Valencia"
Funk
C6: Vehicle factory
3_14159
Acquisition
A1: Shotguns
YES: Funk
ABSTAIN: Coleslaw, 3_14159

Free
F1: Tooling of new LA2 factory
YES: Funk, Coleslaw, 3_14159