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[3_14159]

> RM1891: 30650 5650 (rest lost during combat, parts, or RSpain)
We sent about 20,000 rifles to spain? Wow. Also, that's actually a very good opportunity to update toa  new weapon.

> Ray Class HSCS: 4 (Wait, where did the other two come from? Ones the Ray, ones the Skate(which is sorta its own class), what about the other two?)
One is the original Ray, and we had the factory N1 tooled to produce Ray-class submarines in 1934/2. I don't know where my batch number of two (x1.5 for the factory) came from. If that's in error, I'll correct it. The Skate is extra because it's another design basically (external loads).


> MM1902: 9800 100 (RSpain)
We gave Spain 9,700 light machine guns? Oh, joy.

> SM1911/34: 2950 2620 (Combat, parts, RSpain, USSR. A pair of them where sent to Stalin in hopes he wont use them against us)
And, how did the like them?

> Bychok: 1 2 (Now I think you are confused.)
> Bychok: 1 (ah, there it is. The Monkey Goby!)
There shouldn't be two types of Bychoks. Why are there two Bychoks? Ah, got it. An issue when I updated the design to include electronic parts costs. It's corrected.

Also, I am now officially annoyed with my list. There's no overview over what's what. I'm adding short descriptions now.

[Aseaheru]

Spain likes their rifles.

Huh. Forgot that. Did they make anything... (glances at stuff) you know what? Im gonna say that the Ray class can be made at a rate of .5 per season per assembly line in a naval factory. Because, hey. Its small enough to do so and its not designed for it.

Far, far more than 9700 MGs. You also sent over some MM1911s, MM1927s, and even a few MM1934s.

He wont tell us.

[3_14159]

Huh. Forgot that. Did they make anything... (glances at stuff) you know what? Im gonna say that the Ray class can be made at a rate of .5 per season per assembly line in a naval factory. Because, hey. Its small enough to do so and its not designed for it.

Sure. That'll give us about .75 of a Ray for spares.

Also, updating the list comes along. Here are some examples:
Factory LA1/0 (artillery, e): AATSM1933 HiLo [105mm AA/AT gun] (6.0 per turn)
EAM M1932 [Automatic Mortar]: 50
ATHM1933 [87.6mm AT gun]: -6

I'll include your numbers, and then post the new stocks.

Edit: Just noticed: According to your stock changes, we gained four steel helmets due to combat losses (1980 > 1984).

[3_14159]

And here's the new assignments.
Changes include the short description (in []); not printing stocks with 0 and sorting the industrial production the same way as the stocks.

TURN 9: 1936.5

Spoiler: Industry assignments: (click to show/hide)

   Large Workshop
      Large Workshop/0 (None): AATSM1933 HiLo [105mm AA/AT gun] (4 per turn)
      Large Workshop/1 (None): M1932 40mmAAA Cannon (10 per turn)
   Factory G1
      Factory G1/0 (None): AEM M1932 [2.5t boiler/turbine] (15 per turn)
      Factory G1/1 (None): M-C-M1936 [Gas mask] (200 per turn)
      Factory G1/2 (None): ATHM1933 [87.6mm AT gun] (6 per turn)
   Factory G2
      Factory G2/0 (None): EAM M1932 [Automatic Mortar] (50 per turn)
      Factory G2/1 (None): C-V-45-M1935 [45mm AT cannon] (20 per turn)
      Factory G2/2 (None): M-C-M1936 filter [gas mask filters] (2 per turn)
   Factory V1
      Factory V1/0 (vehicle, e): SDE M1933 [Diesel engine] (30.0 per turn)
      Factory V1/1 (vehicle, e): SDE M1933 [Diesel engine] (30.0 per turn)
   Factory M1
      Factory M1/0 (ammo, e): T18 M1934 [18 inch torpedo] (30.0 per turn)
      Factory M1/1 (ammo, e): CA-AAA-M1935 ammo [20mm AA gun ammo] (1.5 per turn)
   Factory M2
      Factory M2/0 (ammo, e): 7.62x54mm ammo (3.0 per turn)
      Factory M2/1 (ammo, e): 40mm ammo (1.5 per turn)
   Factory M3
      Factory M3/0 (ammo, e): 7.62x54mm ammo (3.0 per turn)
      Factory M3/1 (ammo, e): ATHM1933 ammo [87.6mm AT gun ammo] (1.5 per turn)
   Factory M4
      Factory M4/0 (ammo, e): AATSM1933 HiLo ammo [105mm AA/AT gun] (1.5 per turn)
      Factory M4/1 (ammo, e): .45 ACP ammo (1.5 per turn)
   Factory SA1
      Factory SA1/0 (small-arms, e): SM1911/34 [Improved M1911 pistol] (300.0 per turn)
      Factory SA1/1 (small-arms, e): SM1911/34 [Improved M1911 pistol] (300.0 per turn)
      Factory SA1/2 (small-arms, e): MM1934 [Medium Machine Gun] (225.0 per turn)
      Factory SA1/3 (small-arms, e): SMM1934 Double [Crazy SMG] (300.0 per turn)
      Factory SA1/4 (small-arms, e): MM1927 [DP-28 MG] (30.0 per turn)
      Factory SA1/5 (small-arms, e): RM1891 [7.62x54mm Mosin-Nagant] (300.0 per turn)
      Factory SA1/6 (small-arms, e): RM1891 [7.62x54mm Mosin-Nagant] (300.0 per turn)
      Factory SA1/7 (small-arms, e): RM1891 [7.62x54mm Mosin-Nagant] (300.0 per turn)
   Factory N1
      Factory N1/0 (ship, e): Shockwave [Fast attack craft] (4.5 per turn)
      Factory N1/1 (ship, e): CDV M1933 [Coastal Defense Vessel] (6.0 per turn)
   Factory A1
      Factory A1/0 (plane, e): HGAA M1934 Baklan [dive bomber] (6.0 per turn)
      Factory A1/1 (plane, e): I-C-M1936 [Interceptor] (15.0 per turn)
   Factory AM1
      Factory AM1/0 (engine, e): AEM 1933 Hurricane [1500HP aircraft engine] (30.0 per turn)
      Factory AM1/1 (engine, e): AEM 1933 Hurricane [1500HP aircraft engine] (30.0 per turn)
   Factory G3
      Factory G3/0 (None): SH M1935 [steel helmet] (500 per turn)
      Factory G3/1 (None): SH M1935 [steel helmet] (500 per turn)
   Factory V2
      Factory V2/0 (vehicle, e): POAC-L [APC w MG turret] (30.0 per turn)
      Factory V2/1 (vehicle, e): POAC-H [IFV w 45mm cannon] (15.0 per turn)
   Factory LA1
      Factory LA1/0 (artillery, e): AATSM1933 HiLo [105mm AA/AT gun] (6.0 per turn)
      Factory LA1/1 (artillery, e): CA-AAA-M1935 [20mm AA gun] (18.75 per turn)
   Factory M5
      Factory M5/0 (ammo, e): C-V-45-M1935 ammo [45mm AT cannon ammo] (1.5 per turn)
      Factory M5/1 (ammo, e): EAM M1932 ammo [for automatic mortar] (1.5 per turn)
   Factory M6
      Factory M6/0 (ammo, e): G-H-M1935 [grenade] (6.0 per turn)
      Factory M6/1 (ammo, e): bombs (1.5 per turn)
   Factory E1
      Factory E1/0 (electronics, e): Electronic Parts (4.5 per turn)
      Factory E1/1 (electronics, e): Electronic Parts (4.5 per turn)
   Factory M7
      Factory M7/0 (ammo): republicans
      Factory M7/1 (ammo): republicans
   Factory LA2
      Factory LA2/0 (artillery): retool
      Factory LA2/1 (artillery): retool
   Factory LA3
      Factory LA3/0 (artillery): republicans
      Factory LA3/1 (artillery): republicans

Spoiler: Industry production: (click to show/hide)

Electronic Parts: 9.0
7.62x54mm ammo: 6.0
RM1891 [7.62x54mm Mosin-Nagant]: 900.0
40mm ammo: 1.5
AEM M1932 [2.5t boiler/turbine]: 15
EAM M1932 [Automatic Mortar]: 50
EAM M1932 ammo [for automatic mortar]: 1.5
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -5.0
CDV M1933 [Coastal Defense Vessel]: 6.0
SDE M1933 [Diesel engine]: -30.0
AATSM1933 HiLo [105mm AA/AT gun]: 10.0
AATSM1933 HiLo ammo [105mm AA/AT gun]: 1.5
AEM 1933 Hurricane [1500HP aircraft engine]: 15.0
ATHM1933 [87.6mm AT gun]: -3.0
ATHM1933 ammo [87.6mm AT gun ammo]: 1.5
.45 ACP ammo: 1.5
HGAA M1934 Baklan [dive bomber]: 6.0
MM1927 [DP-28 MG]: 30.0
Shockwave [Fast attack craft]: 4.5
T18 M1934 [18 inch torpedo]: 30.0
MM1934 [Medium Machine Gun]: 36.0
SM1911/34 [Improved M1911 pistol]: 600.0
SMM1934 Double [Crazy SMG]: 300.0
C-V-45-M1935 [45mm AT cannon]: 5.0
C-V-45-M1935 ammo [45mm AT cannon ammo]: 1.5
POAC-H [IFV w 45mm cannon]: 15.0
POAC-L [APC w MG turret]: 30.0
SH M1935 [steel helmet]: 1000
CA-AAA-M1935 [20mm AA gun]: -11.25
CA-AAA-M1935 ammo [20mm AA gun ammo]: 1.5
G-H-M1935 [grenade]: 6.0
I-C-M1936 [Interceptor]: 15.0
M-C-M1936 [Gas mask]: 200
M-C-M1936 filter [gas mask filters]: 2
bombs: 1.5


Shortfalls
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -5.0
SDE M1933 [Diesel engine]: -30.0
ATHM1933 [87.6mm AT gun]: -3.0
CA-AAA-M1935 [20mm AA gun]: -11.25

Spoiler: Stocks: (click to show/hide)

Electronic Parts: 1
7.62x54mm ammo: 2
RM1891 [7.62x54mm Mosin-Nagant]: 5650
7.62x38mm ammo: 1
SM1895 [7.62x38mmR Nagant M1895 Revolver]: 700
Karp-class submarine [initial sub]: 1
MM1911 [7.62x54mm Lewis MG]: 50
T-18 light tank: 50
Ofery-class destroyer [initial destroyer]: 1
40mm ammo: 3
AEM M1932 [2.5t boiler/turbine]: 2
EAM M1932 [Automatic Mortar]: 130
EAM M1932 ammo [for automatic mortar]: 7.5
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -21
CDV M1933 [Coastal Defense Vessel]: 14
Ray Class HSCS [High-Speed Coastal Submarine]: 1.75
SDE M1933 [Diesel engine]: 56
AATSM1933 HiLo [105mm AA/AT gun]: 6
AATSM1933 HiLo ammo [105mm AA/AT gun]: 1
AEM 1933 Hurricane [1500HP aircraft engine]: 60
ATHM1933 [87.6mm AT gun]: -6
ATHM1933 ammo [87.6mm AT gun ammo]: 2
Skate Class HSCS [High-Speed Coastal Sub]: 1
.45 ACP ammo: 3
HGAA M1934 Baklan [dive bomber]: 38
MM1902 [7.62x54mm Madsen MG]: 100
MM1927 [DP-28 MG]: 200
Shockwave [Fast attack craft]: 16.5
T18 M1934 [18 inch torpedo]: 46
MM1934 [Medium Machine Gun]: 1248
SM1911/34 [Improved M1911 pistol]: 2620
SMM1934 Double [Crazy SMG]: 1245
C-V-45-M1935 [45mm AT cannon]: 6
C-V-45-M1935 ammo [45mm AT cannon ammo]: 1
POAC-H [IFV w 45mm cannon]: 25
POAC-L [APC w MG turret]: 48
SH M1935 [steel helmet]: 1984
Bychok [3000t destroyer]: 2
CA-AAA-M1935 [20mm AA gun]: -12.75
CA-AAA-M1935 ammo [20mm AA gun ammo]: 1
G-H-M1935 [grenade]: 1
I-C-M1936 [Interceptor]: 13
M-C-M1936 [Gas mask]: 196
M-C-M1936 filter [gas mask filters]: 1
bombs: 1.5
D-R-M1936 [fixed radio]: 1
Winchester M1897 [12g trench shotgun]: 400


Shortfalls
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -21
ATHM1933 [87.6mm AT gun]: -6
CA-AAA-M1935 [20mm AA gun]: -12.75

[Aseaheru]

Only Largearms 3 is republicans only.

[3_14159]

Only Largearms 3 is republicans only.

From "Construction team Two was in charge of the other two factories built in the complex this year, a pair of twin-line armaments factories. They are completed quickly, and one is, again, given over to the Republican forces." I had assumed that they'd both be given over. Awesome!


And, while looking through the thread, I've also compiled a list of links to the turn posts, which you can copy to one of the first posts of the thread:

Coleslaw's Hex Map
And image only

• 1932/2
• 1933/1
• 1933/2
• 1934/1
• 1934/2 Part 1 and 1934/2 Part 2
• 1935/1
• 1935/2
• 1936/1
• 1936/2 Part 1 and 1936/2 Part 2

[Funk]

 

I'm not totally sold on the POAC-C (Cargo) it's going to have a much smaller payload so we'll need more of them.

Understandable.
The way I see it, we have three possible trucks to add to our arsenal:
- A heavy truck
Unarmoured, fairly cheap to produce and very efficient. Not off-road capable. For use far behind our lines.
- A light truck
Unarmoured, yet cheap to produce and with a high load for its weight. For use behind our lines.
- The POAC-C
Lightly armoured, more expensive per load than the other two. Amphibious. For transporting the supplies to the resupply points.

Since the latter can - with less efficiency - also be used for the first two roles, promises to give us a few more variants and shares commonality with the other POACs, I'd build that one first. 

I'd argue that the Iron ox should be quite capable off road, it's eight wheel drive and has a differential lock.
We could shorten it, drop an axle from the rear and lower it's off road payload to 5000Kg.

Now on to Spain let use our skill in building defences to help the republicans.
Lets build

Spoiler: the citadels of Valencia (click to show/hide)

Four reinforced concrete bunkers for mounting heavy AA guns.

Crew: 300
Size: 50m X 50m x 40m
Walls to be made of reinforced concrete 2.5 meters thick
Roof to be made of reinforced concrete 1.5 meters thick

Armament
----------
4 'HiLo' 105mm Cannons.
20 CA-AAA-M1935 20mm AA guns.

2 EAM M1932 Automatic Mortars.
16 M-1 Machineguns.
1 SDE M1933 Diesel engine to run a generator.
1 D-R-M1936 radio.

8 SMM1934 Double submachine guns or 16 Winchester M1897 trench shotguns for internal defence.

Naturally as there in Spain we would just be supplying the knowledge and armaments, all the work will be under taken by local volunteers. 

[coleslaw35]

This is off topic, but do the 7.62x54mmR rounds come with stripper clips?

[Aseaheru]

Enough of them do.

[coleslaw35]

Now on to Spain let use our skill in building defences to help the republicans.
Lets build

Spoiler: the citadels of Valencia (click to show/hide)

Four reinforced concrete bunkers for mounting heavy AA guns.

Crew: 300
Size: 50m X 50m x 40m
Walls to be made of reinforced concrete 2.5 meters thick
Roof to be made of reinforced concrete 1.5 meters thick

Armament
----------
4 'HiLo' 105mm Cannons.
20 CA-AAA-M1935 20mm AA guns.

2 EAM M1932 Automatic Mortars.
16 M-1 Machineguns.
1 SDE M1933 Diesel engine to run a generator.
1 D-R-M1936 radio.

8 SMM1934 Double submachine guns or 16 Winchester M1897 trench shotguns for internal defence.

Naturally as there in Spain we would just be supplying the knowledge and armaments, all the work will be under taken by local volunteers.

I mean, I like the idea, but it may not be completed in time or would be incredibly expensive, and if we're going to use the labor of volunteers, well, there may not be many available to build if they're off fighting. Then again, we could just send one of our own construction teams to build it, I mean they can somehow manage to build an entire factory in the course of a few months. It took a local construction firm 3 years to build a small school here.

Also, what if N. Spain manages to take it over? Then THEY'D have a large and heavily defended defense point.

Also, are the bunkers separated and spread out or are they close together? Is that Crew count for all 4 bunkers or just one? We should definitely arm more of the "crew" in the bunkers with more than just a few SMGs or shotguns.

In a bunker that much armed, there's going to need to be a large, central, well-protected ammunition storage area for all those guns. Even then, they'd probably chew through it really fast.

[Aseaheru]

Funfact: One of the main problems with the Nazi defense at Normandy was lack of ammo. Even if the bunker managed to survive all that day most ran out of ammo in 6-8 hours.

[coleslaw35]

Funfact: One of the main problems with the Nazi defense at Normandy was lack of ammo. Even if the bunker managed to survive all that day most ran out of ammo in 6-8 hours.

That's what I was afraid of.


Edit: Unless.. We got a decent truck up and running so that they could drive in ammo towards the citadel during combat, when needed?

[Aseaheru]

Course, it was also an undermanned area, and awesomely under supplied. Each bunker was intended to have 2-3 days of ammo.

[coleslaw35]

Course, it was also an undermanned area, and awesomely under supplied. Each bunker was intended to have 2-3 days of ammo.

Wow. So maybe it could be a plausible idea, but still, it'd be scary if N. Spain got a hold of it and the guns on/in it.

EDIT: What if we rigged explosives on the inside for when it gets taken over? This is a scary thought though, because what if they are accidentally set off prematurely while it's still under our control?

[Funk]

I mean, I like the idea, but it may not be completed in time or would be incredibly expensive, and if we're going to use the labor of volunteers, well, there may not be many available to build if they're off fighting. Then again, we could just send one of our own construction teams to build it, I mean they can somehow manage to build an entire factory in the course of a few months. It took a local construction firm 3 years to build a small school here.

We should be able to gather a lot of volunteers, after all this is for the defence of the city.
Those less willing or unable to fight can probably still work on the building.

Also, what if N. Spain manages to take it over? Then THEY'D have a large and heavily defended defense point.

Then the fall of Valencia is close at hand.
Note N. Spain cant just walk up to them, there's going to be a fight or a long bombardment so it's unlikely one will fall intact.
Remember that N. Spain doesn't have a large supply ammo for the captured guns.

Also, are the bunkers separated and spread out or are they close together?
Is that Crew count for all 4 bunkers or just one?
We should definitely arm more of the "crew" in the bunkers with more than just a few SMGs or shotguns.

In a bunker that much armed, there's going to need to be a large, central, well-protected ammunition storage area for all those guns. Even then, they'd probably chew through it really fast.

The bunker are to cover as much of Valencia as they can.
The crew is the maximum for one bunker.
As for arming the crew im sure we have some old rifles knocking about they can have.
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Course, it was also an undermanned area, and awesomely under supplied. Each bunker was intended to have 2-3 days of ammo.

Wow. So maybe it could be a plausible idea, but still, it'd be scary if N. Spain got a hold of it and the guns on/in it.

EDIT: What if we rigged explosives on the inside for when it gets taken over? This is a scary thought though, because what if they are accidentally set off prematurely while it's still under our control?

There's going to be more than enough ammo in the stores to take the bunker out of action.
but that's why you have the ammo stored in the basement and hosted up to the guns, so the magazine is safe.
There radios, a large number of crew men and good defences so there unlikely to fall in to enemy hands undamaged.
If we need to spike the guns then a little termite is the answer, it'll safely melt the guns.