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[coleslaw35]

I was just planing to issue them for ship/ base defence.

Base defence, sure.

Ship defence, I'd advise against. Shotguns in enclosed, metal lined hallways sounds dangerous for both the attackers and defenders. The pellets would richochet all over the place, possibly injuring the vessel's own crew or damaging equipment. I think our current handgun would be a better option. I'm all for getting our hands on some shotguns though.

[Funk]

I was thinking that the lead shot would ricochet less than handgun bullets.
Useing hand guns is fine as our current handguns are: 1)The Nagant M1895 (SM1895 ) an old crappy revolver 2) colt M1911 3)The SM1911/34 one half of SMM1934 Double, it a fully automatic pistol.

[coleslaw35]

I was thinking that the lead shot would ricochet less than handgun bullets.

Eh. I could be wrong, in fact I probably am. I'm just stating what I feel like would happen.

Maybe someone else would know better as to what would happen?

Useing hand guns is fine as our current handguns are: 1)The Nagant M1895 (SM1895 ) an old crappy revolver 2) colt M1911 3)The SM1911/34 one half of SMM1934 Double, it a fully automatic pistol.

Bleeeh, no M1895s please lol. I think our SM1911/34 would be a good choice. Of course, it's not fully automatic, it just has the option to be full auto. Of course, you probably wouldn't want to go full auto for fear of ricochet, but the availability is nice. We can just order sailors that, in the event their vessel is attacked, refrain from full auto firing.

[Aseaheru]

The only major things that the home-grown M1911 copy and the double is caliber, the fact that they can fire in full auto, and that they where both designed locally.

[coleslaw35]

The only major things that the home-grown M1911 copy and the double is caliber, the fact that they can fire in full auto, and that they where both designed locally.

Do both the SMM1911/34 and the SMM1934 Double have selective fire?

[Aseaheru]

No request for selective fire for the Double, so I am going to say that the double is full-auto only.

[coleslaw35]

No request for selective fire for the Double, so I am going to say that the double is full-auto only.

Hm. Ok. So maybe we could have some in, say, the conning tower for above deck use and the SM1911/34s for below deck use.

*Fixed, go ahead and view*

Spoiler: Addition to the Unit Loadout List (click to show/hide)

Note: I'm assuming this equipment will be stored in a centralized shipboard armory with the few SMM1934 Doubles being stored in the Conning Tower/Command area. This is just what the units aboard would be trained to grab in case of shipboard conflict.

Naval Crew (above deck)

-SMM1934 Double
-2 spare mags

Naval Crew (below deck)

-SM1911/34
-Three 7rd mags


And this one is a little off-topic, but I want to be prepared.

Airplane Crew (catch-all for pilots, gunners, etc.)

-SM1911/34
-Three 7rd magazines

Spoiler: Modifications to the Unit Equipment List (click to show/hide)

Regulars

Primary:

Mosin Nagant w/50rd ammunition

Secondary:

SM1911/34 w/ three 7rd magazines

Extra Equipment:

1 Grenade
Two 75rd belts for M-1 MG

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Assault Troops

Primary:

SMM1934 Double with eight 40rd mags

Secondary:

SM1911/34 w/ three 7rd magazines

Extra Equipment:

2 Grenades

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Assistant Machine gunner

Primary:

SM1911/34 w/1 20rd magazine, three 7rd magazines

Extra Equipment:

One 75rd Drum for M-1 MG
Four 75rd belts for M-1 MG

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Machine gunner

Primary:

M-1 Machine Gun w/ two 50rd mags and one 75rd drum.

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags 

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Officer

Primary:

SMM1934 Double with six 40 round mags

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags

Extra Equipment

2 Grenades

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Tanker

Overalls (for maintenance work and such)

Primary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags

(Six grenades to be stored in each tank for counter infantry use)

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Marksman

Primary:

Mosin Nagant w/ Optics w/ 75rd ammunition

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags and one 20rd mag

Feel free to suggest/modify things. I'm just throwing some stuff out there.

[Funk]

I suggest that we just give every one in army, navy, or what ever, a SM1911/34 with Three 7rd mags.

As there not much space in a airplane i think pistols are a better pick, A full size smg will get lost behind if the crew have to bail out.

Finally i've found a good pic of Adolf Furrer’s double barrelled SMG now you can all know what i based the SMM1934 Double on.
(Wikipeda had it down as Flieger-Doppelpistole 1919 where as it seems to be better known as the Furrer M1919 Double-Barrel SMG.
Matters are not helped by Adolf Furre makeing another submachine gun the same year, the Furrer 1919.

Spoiler: Pic (click to show/hide)

[coleslaw35]

I suggest that we just give every one in army, navy, or what ever, a SM1911/34 with Three 7rd mags.

Sure. It'd take a long time to get everyone equipped though, especially with our current number of lines dedicated to the gun

As there not much space in a airplane i think pistols are a better pick, A full size smg will get lost behind if the crew have to bail out.

Yeah, you're right.

Spoiler: Pic (click to show/hide)

Wow, it's bulkier than I thought it was. I assumed the barrels were much closer, to the point where they were side by side.

[Aseaheru]

Hey, could be worse. Heres a link to a video about a SMG that will make you ache looking at it.
Video. Also a rather interesting website.

[coleslaw35]

Hey, could be worse. Heres a link to a video about a SMG that will make you ache looking at it.
Video. Also a rather interesting website.

*gags*

This thing wasn't practical at all and that.. Magazine thing is incredibly large and looks like it weighs more than the gun itself.

How did they even think of something so terrible?

The world needs to learn a thing or two about firearms from Forenia Plokhoy Ostrov!

[coleslaw35]

Spoiler: Additions to the Unit Loadout List (click to show/hide)

Note: I'm assuming this equipment will be stored in a centralized shipboard armory with the few SMM1934 Doubles being stored in the Conning Tower/Command area. This is just what the units aboard would be trained to grab in case of shipboard conflict.

Naval Crew (above deck)

-SMM1934 Double
-2 spare mags

Naval Crew (below deck)

-SM1911/34
-Three 7rd mags


And this one is a little off-topic, but I want to be prepared.

Airplane Crew (catch-all for pilots, gunners, etc.)

-SM1911/34
-Three 7rd magazines

Spoiler: Modifications to the Unit Equipment List (click to show/hide)

Regulars

Primary:

Mosin Nagant w/50rd ammunition

Secondary:

SM1911/34 w/ three 7rd magazines

Extra Equipment:

1 Grenade
Two 75rd belts for M-1 MG

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Assault Troops

Primary:

SMM1934 Double with eight 40rd mags

Secondary:

SM1911/34 w/ three 7rd magazines

Extra Equipment:

2 Grenades

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Assistant Machine gunner

Primary:

SM1911/34 w/1 20rd magazine, three 7rd magazines

Extra Equipment:

One 75rd Drum for M-1 MG
Four 75rd belts for M-1 MG

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Machine gunner

Primary:

M-1 Machine Gun w/ two 50rd mags and one 75rd drum.

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags 

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Officer

Primary:

SMM1934 Double with six 40 round mags

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags

Extra Equipment

2 Grenades

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Tanker

Overalls (for maintenance work and such)

Primary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags

(Six grenades to be stored in each tank for counter infantry use)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Marksman

Primary:

Mosin Nagant w/ Optics w/ 75rd ammunition

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags and one 20rd mag

Feel free to suggest/modify things. I'm just throwing some stuff out there.

Updated my post from earlier to include the modifications suggested by Funk and I.

Also, updated voting list, assuming everyone is done! We've certainly got a lot on the board and I think it'll drag on into the next few years.

Spoiler: Voting List (click to show/hide)

Designs

D1 Fire storm interceptor


D2 Splinter Vest


D3.1 Minor redesign of the POAC


D3.2 Minor redesigns of all vehicles to use the M-1 MG instead of the Lewis from here on out. Plus, variants of the POAC (Command, Mortar, Tank Destroyer, etc. Basically as many as possible while still doing the first part of this design action.


D4 RADAR system


D5 Attempt to fix the current interceptor's problems. (Most importantly, belt feeding cannons)

To improve the engine we could:

Redesign the engine's air intake to fit a two-stage supercharger, improve efficiency and saving engine power.

Add better cooling, some big air-to-liquid intercoolers should cool down the intake air.
Still this will add weight and drag.

Add nitrous oxide or methanol-water injection
Add turbochargers and make the engine twincharged

D6 Frigate

Mass-produceable frigate. Mounts a D4 radar and a hydrophone (plus radio, of course), two of the destroyer's HiLo turrets, four 40mm AAA pieces, and ten 20mm AAA guns. Leave space for an anti-sub rocket projector. Aim for a mass of about 1500t. Uses our AEM M1932 motor for propulsion, with a target speed of about 24 knots (using four motors, probably).

D7 Anti-Submarine Rocket Projector

An anti-submarine rocket system.
The complete system consists of a launcher base mounting 24 rockets on guidance rails. On firing command, these rockets are fired automatically in a ripple, landing on a fixed point, with a fixed scatter, about 200-300 meters in front of the firing vessel.
Each rocket consists of a propulsion unit, a warhead of 15-20kg and a detonator. This detonator is armed after firing when heading through the ocean surface, and detonates on contact.

Yes, this is basically a rocket-based hedgehog system.

Construct

C1: Place 40mm AA and HiLo guns in and around our industrial complex in the event of an airborne attack.


C2: One two-Line Munitions Factory


C3: One two-line Large Arms Factory


   C3.1: Two two-line Large Arms Factories


C4: Radar stations


C5: C5: Naval drydock factory
A factory for mass-producing D5 Frigates. Includes a drydock large enough for it, and a linked factory.




Acquire

A1: Acquire sea mines for development of our own.

A2: 12 gauge shotguns.


Other


F1: Coleslaw's factory plan (see below for specifics)

F3: Funk and Coleslaw's suggestions and modifications to the Uniforms (Funk went for assigning SM1911/34s and three 7rd mags to ALL units. I added some extra uniforms, as seen above in my quote

Spoiler: Coleslaw's Factory Assignments (click to show/hide)

Workshop G1 as follows:
- Line 1 : AATSM1933 'HiLo'
- Line 2 : M1932 40mmAAA Cannon

Factory G1 as follows:
- Line 1 : AEM1932 (Ship Engine)
- Line 2 : M-C-M1936 (Gas Mask)
- Line 3 : ATHM1933

Factory G2 as follows:
- Line 1: EAM M1932 mortar
- Line 2: C-V-45-M1935
- Line 3: C-M-C-L-M1936 (Gas Mask Filter)

Factory G3 as follows:
- Line 1: SHM1935 (Helmets)
- Line 2: SHM1935 (Helmets)

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Factory V1 as follows:
- Line 1: SDE M1933 (engine)
- Line 2: SDE M1933 (engine)

Factory V2 as follows:
- Line 1: POAC-H
- Line 2: POAC-L

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Factory N1 as follows:
- Line 1: FACM1934 "Shockwave" (Fast attack craft)
- Line 2: CDV M1933 Coastal Defense Vessel

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Factory M1 as follows:
- Line 1: 18 inch torpedoes
- Line 2: CA-AAA-M1935 ammo

Factory M2 as follows:
- Line 1: 7.62x54Rmm
- Line 2: 40 mm Ammunition

Factory M3 as follows:
- Line 1: 7.62x54Rmm
- Line 2: ATHM ammunition

Factory M4 as follows:
- Line 1: .45 ACP ammunition
- Line 2: 'Hilo' Ammunition

Factory M5 as follows:
- Line 1: 45mm Shells
- Line 2: Mortar shells

Factory M6 as follows:
- Line 1: G-H-M1935
- Line 2: Bombs

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Factory E1 as follows:
- Line 1: R-N-M1936
- Line 2: R-V-M1935

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Factory SA1 as follows:
- Line 1: SM1911/34
- Line 2: SM1911/34
- Line 3: MM1934
- Line 4: SMM1934 Double
- Line 5: MM1934
- Line 6: RM1891
- Line 7: RM1891
- Line 8: RM1891

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Factory LA1 as follows:
- Line 1: AATSM1933 'HiLo'
- Line 2: CA-AAA-M1935

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Factory A1
- Line 1: HGAAM1934 "Baklan" (Heavy dive bomber)
- Line 2: I-C-M1936 (Fighter)

Factory AM1
- Line 1: AEM1933 "Hurricane" (Aircraft engine)
- Line 2: AEM1933 "Hurricane" (Aircraft engine)

[Aseaheru]

Im going to say that D3.2 is too large, so its getting split slightly. See below list for voting.

Zee List!

Designs

D1 Fire storm interceptor

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

All metal mono plane,with an enclosed cockpit, an engine mounted to the rear of pilot and linked to a pusher prop.

Armour: 8mm of nickel-molybdenum steel plate around the cockpit.
13 mm plate of  nickel-molybdenum steel on the back of the seat.
2mm fire wall between the pilot and the fuel tanks.

Weapons: 4x M-1 Machineguns in wing roots with 500 belts rounds per gun.
4 X 20mm cannons in the nose with 60 round drums

Engine: 2 x "Hurricane" aero engine 1500HP
Crew: 1 pilot

Wingspan: 9 m
Length: 11 m
Empty weight: 3225 kg

edit
The Pilot's seat should have an oxygen feed line for his mask.

D2 Splinter Vest

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A light suit of armour built only to protect against fragments.
It is made from multiple plates of thin 1 mm manganes steel and held together with interconnected webbing straps and buckles.
Plates cover the centre of the chest over the heart and lungs, a second lower plate covers the groin.
A rear plate on the lower back covers the liver, base of the lungs and with an upwards projection the base of the spinal column.

The Design is explicitly told not to attempt making this in anyway bullet proof

D3.1 Redesign POAC system to make various varients, including Command vehicles, Mortar carriers, Tank destroyers, supply vehicles, etc. Add radios to all varients.


D3.2 Redesign POAC system to include only radios.

D4 Redesign of all cehicles to allow use of MM1934 instead of MM1911 in internal mounts (T-18, Baklan)

D5 RADAR system

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Our first radar. Uses a rotating antenna (5rpm) to fix both sea and air targets. The range goal is about 50-150km for planes (dependant on altitude and size) and about 40kms for surface targets. Since it's a search radar, accuracy is not that important, with a goal of about 100 meters. Keeping the weight under two tons should be doable.

D6 Attempt to fix the current interceptor's problems

Spoiler: Ways to fix problems (click to show/hide)

    belt feeding cannons

    Redesign the engine's air intake to fit a two-stage supercharger, improve efficiency and saving engine power.

    Add better cooling, some big air-to-liquid intercoolers should cool down the intake air.
    Still this will add weight and drag.

    Add nitrous oxide or methanol-water injection

    Add turbochargers and make the engine twincharged

D7 Frigate

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    Mass-produceable frigate. Mounts a D4 radar and a hydrophone (plus radio, of course), two of the destroyer's HiLo turrets, four 40mm AAA pieces, and ten 20mm AAA guns. Leave space for an anti-sub rocket projector. Aim for a mass of about 1500t. Uses our AEM M1932 motor for propulsion, with a target speed of about 24 knots (using four motors, probably).

D8 Anti-Submarine Rocket Projector

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    An anti-submarine rocket system.
    The complete system consists of a launcher base mounting 24 rockets on guidance rails. On firing command, these rockets are fired automatically in a ripple, landing on a fixed point, with a fixed scatter, about 200-300 meters in front of the firing vessel.
    Each rocket consists of a propulsion unit, a warhead of 15-20kg and a detonator. This detonator is armed after firing when heading through the ocean surface, and detonates on contact.

Construct

C1: Place 40mm AA and HiLo guns in and around our industrial complex in the event of an airborne attack.


C2: One two-Line Munitions Factory at factory complex


C3: One two-line Large Arms Factory at factory complex


C3.1: Two two-line Large Arms Factories at factory complex


C4: Radar stations located at mountan peaks (requires D5)


C5: C5: Naval drydock factory
A factory for mass-producing D5 Frigates. Includes a drydock large enough for it, and a linked factory. Also part of factory complex




Acquire

A1: Acquire sea mines for development of our own. (details would be nice)

A2: 12 gauge shotguns.(details would be nice. Really nice)


Other
(Vote yes or no to these)

F1: Coleslaw's factory plan

F2: Use MM1934s instead of MM1911s where possible in vehicles.

F3: Funk's uniform mods (SM1911/34 + 3 7rd mags for all)

F4: Coleslaw's Uniform mods (Which appear to be for generic naval crew in two varients, and an aircrew varient)
(Also, a comment on these. Most ships have standard soldiers on them. Atleast, most non-sub vessels)

[coleslaw35]

(Also, a comment on these. Most ships have standard soldiers on them. Atleast, most non-sub vessels)

It'd still be good if the sailors could defend themselves/help out the actual soldiers aboard in the case of a shipboard assault.

Also.. The uh.. Thing seems to be a tad borked.

[Funk]

Fixed up the formatting.

Im going to say that D3.2 is too large, so its getting split slightly. See below list for voting.

Zee List!

Designs
----------------------
D1 Fire storm interceptor

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

All metal mono plane,with an enclosed cockpit, an engine mounted to the rear of pilot and linked to a pusher prop.

Armour: 8mm of nickel-molybdenum steel plate around the cockpit.
13 mm plate of  nickel-molybdenum steel on the back of the seat.
2mm fire wall between the pilot and the fuel tanks.

Weapons: 4x M-1 Machineguns in wing roots with 500 belts rounds per gun.
4 X 20mm cannons in the nose with 60 round drums

Engine: 2 x "Hurricane" aero engine 1500HP
Crew: 1 pilot

Wingspan: 9 m
Length: 11 m
Empty weight: 3225 kg

edit
The Pilot's seat should have an oxygen feed line for his mask.

D2 Splinter Vest

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A light suit of armour built only to protect against fragments.
It is made from multiple plates of thin 1 mm manganes steel and held together with interconnected webbing straps and buckles.
Plates cover the centre of the chest over the heart and lungs, a second lower plate covers the groin.
A rear plate on the lower back covers the liver, base of the lungs and with an upwards projection the base of the spinal column.

The Design is explicitly told not to attempt making this in anyway bullet proof

D3.1 Redesign POAC system to make various varients, including Command vehicles, Mortar carriers, Tank destroyers, supply vehicles, etc. Add radios to all varients.

D3.2 Redesign POAC system to include only radios.

D4 Redesign of all cehicles to allow use of MM1934 instead of MM1911 in internal mounts (T-18, Baklan)

D5 RADAR system

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Our first radar. Uses a rotating antenna (5rpm) to fix both sea and air targets. The range goal is about 50-150km for planes (dependant on altitude and size) and about 40kms for surface targets. Since it's a search radar, accuracy is not that important, with a goal of about 100 meters. Keeping the weight under two tons should be doable.

D6 Attempt to fix the current interceptor's problems

Spoiler: Ways to fix problems (click to show/hide)

    belt feeding cannons

    Redesign the engine's air intake to fit a two-stage supercharger, improve efficiency and saving engine power.

    Add better cooling, some big air-to-liquid intercoolers should cool down the intake air.
    Still this will add weight and drag.

    Add nitrous oxide or methanol-water injection

    Add turbochargers and make the engine twincharged

D7 Frigate

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    Mass-produceable frigate. Mounts a D4 radar and a hydrophone (plus radio, of course), two of the destroyer's HiLo turrets, four 40mm AAA pieces, and ten 20mm AAA guns. Leave space for an anti-sub rocket projector. Aim for a mass of about 1500t. Uses our AEM M1932 motor for propulsion, with a target speed of about 24 knots (using four motors, probably).

D8 Anti-Submarine Rocket Projector

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    An anti-submarine rocket system.
    The complete system consists of a launcher base mounting 24 rockets on guidance rails. On firing command, these rockets are fired automatically in a ripple, landing on a fixed point, with a fixed scatter, about 200-300 meters in front of the firing vessel.
    Each rocket consists of a propulsion unit, a warhead of 15-20kg and a detonator. This detonator is armed after firing when heading through the ocean surface, and detonates on contact.

Construct
----------------------
C1: Place 40mm AA and HiLo guns in and around our industrial complex in the event of an airborne attack.

C2: One two-Line Munitions Factory at factory complex

C3: One two-line Large Arms Factory at factory complex

C3.1: Two two-line Large Arms Factories at factory complex

C4: Radar stations located at mountan peaks (requires D5)

C5: C5: Naval drydock factory
A factory for mass-producing D5 Frigates. Includes a drydock large enough for it, and a linked factory. Also part of factory complex

Acquire
----------------------
A1: Acquire sea mines for development of our own. (details would be nice)

A2: 12 gauge shotguns.(details would be nice. Really nice)

Other
(Vote yes or no to these)

F1: Coleslaw's factory plan

F2: Use MM1934s instead of MM1911s where possible in vehicles.

F3: Funk's uniform mods (SM1911/34 + 3 7rd mags for all)

F4: Coleslaw's Uniform mods (Which appear to be for generic naval crew in two varients, and an aircrew varient)
(Also, a comment on these. Most ships have standard soldiers on them. Atleast, most non-sub vessels)