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[coleslaw35]

Oh man, I was so used to the Weapon Design game made by Sensei that I forgot that we got to design more than one thing, had to worry about a navy, etc.. My bad. I suppose we drop the rifle for now in favor of Pi's ideas of focusing on the navy and air. Thanks for refreshing my memory of the different playstyle of this game.

[Kot]

I am going to PTW because Arstotzka's at peace now. Maybe throw in a few dimes in future.

[coleslaw35]

My votes for the POAC:


Top-hatch: Due to the passenger hatches not working very well while the vehicle is on the water, a hatch has been installed on the top of the vehicle, along with spots for two more machinegun mounts. There could probably be other things this could result in...

Reliable: less likely to break down and requires less spare parts (increasing production runs as a side effect)


My votes for the 45mm cannon:

Simple: Easier to maintain, can make more at once, and easier to use

Optical System: A basic optical system is installed, increasing the cannons effective range and accuracy.
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Also, I wanted to suggest an update of something from the first post. Of course, they don't have to be exact. If there aren't any of what the soldier is order to use, then we can just give them whatever is good enough for their role.

Spoiler: Uniform and Loadout of POAF Personnel (click to show/hide)

All

Woolen greatcoat
Woolen trousers
Woolen billed cap
Leather boots
Linen Tunic
Steel Helmet

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Regulars

Primary:

 Mosin Nagant w/100rd ammunition

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Assault Troops

Primary:

SMM1934 Double with eight 40rd mags

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Assistant Machine gunner

Primary:

SM1911/34 w/1 20rd magazine, three 7rd magazines

Extra Equipment:

Two 75rd M-1 MG mags

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Machine gunner

Primary:

M-1 Machine Gun w/ two 50rd mags

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags 

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Officer

Primary:

SMM1934 Double with six 40 round mags

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Tanker

Primary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags

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Marksman

Primary:

Mosin Nagant w/ Optics w/ 75rd ammunition

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags and one 20rd mag

How does that look? Any way it could be modified? I feel like I put some of the ammo distribution values a little high. You guys take a look at it and say what you think of it.

[coleslaw35]

Also, Pi, we've got a coastal patrol boat too. Granted, it is small and mostly made of wood.

Spoiler: CDV M1933 Coastal Defence Vessel (click to show/hide)

Displacement:    85 tons full load, 77 tons normal load
Length:    105 ft (32 m)
Beam:    14 ft 9 in (4.50 m)
Draft:    5 ft 7 in (1.70 m)
Propulsion:    Three 220 bhp (160 kW) gasoline engines, 2400 gallons fuel
Speed:    18 kn (33 km/h)
Range:    1,000 nmi (1,900 km) at 12 kn (22 km/h)
Complement:    27
Armament:    1x40mm AA gun (mounted forward)
             1xMM1911 (mounted on wheelhouse)
             2x18in torpedo tubes (rear mounted)
Sensors:     Hydrophone system

Cost: 8ton steel, 2ton AL, lotsa timber

[Funk]

Uniform and Loadout of POAF Personnel

How does that look? Any way it could be modified? I feel like I put some of the ammo distribution values a little high. You guys take a look at it and say what you think of it.

I'd like some gasmasks there one of the things we can just buy.
Machine gunners should have a lot more ammo, some of it carried by the rest of the squad.
(The British army carried 25 mag's of 30 plus 700 in Bandoleers )

Spoiler: Revised Uniform and Loadout of POAF Personnel (click to show/hide)

All

Woolen greatcoat
Woolen trousers
Woolen billed cap
Leather boots
Linen Tunic
Steel Helmet
Gasmask

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Regulars

Primary:

Mosin Nagant w/50rd ammunition
1 Grenade
2 75rd belts for M-1 Machine Gun

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Assault Troops

Primary:

SMM1934 Double with eight 40rd mags
2 Grenades

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Machine gunner

Primary:

M-1 Machine Gun w/
2 50rd M-1 MG mags
1 75 round drums

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags

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Assistant Machine gunner

Primary:

SM1911/34 w/1 20rd magazine, three 7rd magazines

Extra Equipment:
1 75 round drums
4 75rd M-1 MG belts

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Officers

Primary:

SMM1934 Double with six 40 round mags

2 Grenades

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Tanker

Denim overall (for maintenance work and the like)

Primary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags

6 Grenades (to be stored in the tank, for counter infantry use)

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Marksman

Primary:

Mosin Nagant w/ Optics w/ 75rd ammunition

Secondary:

SM1911/34 with three 7rd mags and one 20rd mag

[coleslaw35]

I was going to add grenades when we actually got ours

Also, wouldn't the ammo belts really slow down the soldiers? Maybe we should just give the belts to MG Assistants?

[Funk]

The ideas to spread out the weight and have the MG Assistants collect them as need.

[coleslaw35]

The ideas to spread out the weight and have the MG Assistants collect them as need.

Well, alright then. We'll see how that plays out when we get in actual combat. Anyways, like Pi was bringing up earlier, we need a proper navy. All we've got are some subs and a few small ships. We should really consider, as was suggested, expanding our dock and industrial capacity for the required weapons. Also, the voting list was put up a while ago:

Construction:
C1:Construct a warehouse that is able to hold 2 construction projects.
C2(x2):six line factory, two aircraft engines, two aircraft weapons, and two aircraft, all underground or bombproof
C3: Expand loaned drydock (may be easier building new...)

Design:
D1(half): Reverse Engineer Winchester Model 1895 (Also known as RM1895(M1915))
D2(half): Reverse Engineer F1 Grenade.
D3.1: Tornado interceptor (six M-1 machineguns)
D3.2: Hawk fighter (Single 20mm cannon, new gun)
D4.1: 15 round box mag semi-auto battle rifle
D4.2: Carbine instead, with new ammunition
D5: Dartfish destroyer, equipped with 5 single HiLos, 10 single 40mm cannon, 10 single 20mm cannon, space for anti-sub rockets. Also hydrophones, extra space for those, all setup for easy upgrades, using new engine
D6: Dagger/Rapier Autocannons
D7: Watermill Engine (personally, I suggest looking at the AEM M1932)
D8: Bombs!
D9: Vehicular radio for shoving in Baklan, Hawk, and POAC. If extra time, bigger varient for radios on wheels

My votes are:

Construction:
C2
C3

Design:
D2
D1 (Since they're only half and I feel like we wouldn't be able to get away with 3 and a half projects, please correct me if I'm wrong)
D3.2
D6

I'd vote for the Dartfish if our dock was big enough though. I feel like a not large enough dock would play a role in the design for the ship, so I'd say we wait until we have a proper dock before we make it.


Also

Well, it'd be useful for getting an idea how much of everything we have - for example, High Command is concerned about the submarine:surface vessel ratio, and about having too many MGs.
Spreadsheet is in progress, currently at 1932/2 finished. I may ask you for some clarifications and stuff.

Edit: Turns out that's pretty difficult. I'd need batch sizes for all items. Additionally, what effect does a specialized factory line have when building the items it's specialized for, and when building other items? I'd have guessed 1.5x production and 2/3rd production respectively?

How are you coming along on that spreadsheet, if you're still doing it of course?

[Funk]

My votes are:

Construction:
C2
C3

Design:
D2
D1 (Since they're only half and I feel like we wouldn't be able to get away with 3 and a half projects, please correct me if I'm wrong)
D3.1
D6
D9

I'd vote for the Hawk but it's under armed, over weight and has a single unfinished weapon.

[3_14159]

Additional Proposal:
Free Action 1: Engineering Reorganization
New Team out of one skilled engineer (from aero), three basic materials engineers (from special projects) and the three new unskilled engineers; the Materials Team.

How are you coming along on that spreadsheet, if you're still doing it of course?

Slowly, mostly because I need to reverse-engineer the batch numbers etc. However, even if I have errors in there, correcting them should be easy. I'm currently doing 1934/1.

Also, Pi, we've got a coastal patrol boat too. Granted, it is small and mostly made of wood.

True, but it's not a REAL SHIP :-P
It's good for coastal defense, but if we have to deal with a blockade, we've got a problem.

I'd vote for the Hawk but it's under armed, over weight and has a single unfinished weapon.

I'll grant you the unfinished weapons, but why is it underarmed and overweight?
Comparing it to the Tornado, it has a single 20mm cannon compared to six 7.62mm machine guns. Even the wartime US fighters, which - arguably - had been obsessed with machine guns, mounted something like six 12.7mm machine guns in their fighters (p.ex. the P-40). I believe the M-1 machine gun is simply too weak to be useful in air to air combat against even lightly armoured fighters - compare the armament of the P-40C which - with two 12.7mm guns and two 7.7mm guns - was considerd too lightly armed. If you are concerned about the light armament, I propose using two 20mm guns.
So, let me use this to introduce a design variant on the Hawk, which I actually prefer:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

All-metal, enclosed cockpit monoplane.
Cockpit and engine armoured, with self-sealing fuel tanks and a bullet-proof windscreen. The two cannons are mounted in the body, coupled to the propeller via interrupter gears. The plane uses a radio.
Crew: 1
Length: 8.7m
Wingspan: 11.4m
Height: 2.6m
Max. Takeoff Weight: 3000kg
Powerplant: AEM1933 "Hurricane" aircraft engine
Armament: 2x 20mm cannon (C-20mm-35/L Dagger)

Target values:
Range: 1000km
Cruise Speed: 430km/h

Sure, it won't be as fast or as manoeuvrable compared to the version without armour - but it'll hit hard, take a beating and should let the pilot survive. Plus, as the US experience in the pacific theatre has shown, the right tactics beat a flimsy, manoeuvrable plane.



My votes:
Construction:
C2, C3

Design:
D3.2.1: Hawk fighter Variant B (Two 20mm cannon, new gun)
D5: Dartfish destroyer, equipped with 5 single HiLos, 10 single 40mm cannon, 10 single 20mm cannon, space for anti-sub rockets. Also hydrophones, extra space for those, all setup for easy upgrades, using new engine
D7: Watermill Engine (personally, I suggest looking at the AEM M1932)

Free Actions:
F1: Engineering Reorganization

[Aseaheru]

  As a note, there are three production lines for the MM1934 (the M1), which ran for six months before two of them where shutdown. The same sort of thing happened with the MM1927, except it started with two lines and closed one.

[Funk]

It is under armed for 3000kg as a Spitfire (L.F. Mk VB) of the same weight had:
    2 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano II cannon; 60 round drum
    4 × 0.303" Browning machine guns; 350 rpg
    2 × 250 lb (113 kg) or 1 × 500 lb (227 kg) bombs
Along with armour and bullet proof glass.

My fighter has 6  7.62mm machine guns so there all the nose, so no synchronisation or harmonisation should by necessary.
By haveing the guns all grouped it should beat a narrow path was all 6000 RPM cutting through armour.
If it had wing guns then shots would spread out and synchronisation would lower it's fire rate.

I do have a plan to put a pair 30mm cannons in heavy anti shipping fighter, the Cyclone fits with my theme.

[Aseaheru]

So, you nerds ready to vote?

[Funk]

So, you nerds ready to vote?

Did That.
Edited to 3 votes

My votes are:

Construction:
C1
C2
C3
Design:
D1
D2
D3.1
D6

I'd vote for the Hawk but it's under armed, over weight and has a single unfinished weapon.

[Aseaheru]

I was gonna collate everything, and was checking that there where no designs. Based on the response, Ill get to collating it all.