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[Aseaheru]

Expanding the current one (it has two lines and is building dive bombers on both lines right now) or a new one?

[coleslaw35]

Building a new one will allow more lines than expanding, right?

[Funk]

If we build a new one lets have lines for engines and gun in the same place.
Maybe we should build it underground for safety?

[Aseaheru]

So, a six line factory, two aircraft engines, two aircraft weapons, and two aircraft? And underground?

[Funk]

Yes that way there's no risk of us being unable to make planes.
It doesn't have to be under ground but it needs to be bomb proof then.

[Aseaheru]

Well, its not going to be a simple project...

Infact, I am going to call that the first Large Project. It will take up two construction slots as a result.

[Aseaheru]

 Things are going bump in the night. And the day. And in the below-ground armory of the testing lab, where people have been testing cutting-edge weapons in bulk.

 Things are also going bump in the armories of the dreaded foe, where testing of new german weapons are going ahead, and where plans for the invasion are being drawn up...

[coleslaw35]

Things are going bump in the night. And the day. And in the below-ground armory of the testing lab, where people have been testing cutting-edge weapons in bulk.

 Things are also going bump in the armories of the dreaded foe, where testing of new german weapons are going ahead, and where plans for the invasion are being drawn up...

aaaaw yiss

[Aseaheru]

 That is, after you lot finish suggesting things for the turn. Which is what that comment was meant to get everyone to do...

[coleslaw35]

Did we ever get the votes in for the POAC? If not, I'll go back and submit them when I get home from school. Secondly, may I suggest we design a new rifle? That's really the only thing that I can think of that would be nice.

Spoiler: Name Pending (will think of one when I get home from school (click to show/hide)

 The rifle would be semi automatic and use a 15 round box magazine. It will be in the 7.62x54mmR. (Is this too big? Should we use a smaller round? I'm trying to make sure this thing doesn't become a logistical nightmare.)

Preferably a retractable or folding stock for easier motion inside the APCs. The gun needs to, preferably, be fairly light and easy to handle.

As for range, how does accurate to 1,000 meters sound?

[3_14159]

So, looking at the currently available designs (sadly, there's no current force composition *hint*), my analysis of this situation looks like this:

Army: Has artillery, AA guns, AT guns, machine guns, pistols, APCs and Helmets designed; all of which are produced.

Navy: Has a submarine and FAC designed.

Air Force: Has a Heavy Dive Bomber designed.

We are an island nation, and yet our best force is the army. This turn, we'll need to upgrade both navy and airforce.

Navy: We are producing enough submarines, and those submarines are pretty awesome. We lack in surface forces; specifically anything bigger than a hundred tons. We're going to have to change that.

Air Force: We desperately need a fighter plane.

For any destroyer, we require both main and anti-air plus anti-submarine armament. We do have the AATSM1933 HiLo 105mm cannon available, which is usable in both an anti-ship and anti-air role. With a 0° elevation range of 8000m, the indirect fire range should be sufficient. However, we need further, smaller-calibre AA weaponry. We have the M1932 40mm AA gun available, and should use that. Additionally, I'd like to use a variant of the 20mm gun used for the fighter plane below. As for anti-submarine warfare, we'd need both a hydrophone and depth charges or hedgehogs. I propose leaving space for the latter, and reusing the Shockwave's hydrophone for now, leaving space for expansion. The latter is something that we should do anyway during the whole design process: Make it easier to install new systems on it.

Proposal: Project 3501: N-D-35 "Dartfish"

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Displacement:    ca. 2000t fully loaded
Length:    ca. 110m
Beam:    ca. 11m
Draft:    ca. 5m
Propulsion:    TBD
Target Range:    1,500km
Armament:   
- 5x single AATSM1933 HiLo guns on double-purpose mounts
- 10x M1932 40mm AAA guns
- 10x 20mm autocannons (C-20mm-35/H Rapier)
- reserved space for anti-submarine rockets

Sensors:     Hydrophone system, with space reserved for expansion

Notes: Care should be taken to allow easy modernization and expansion.

(No, this is most definitely not a slightly smaller Fletcher class. No, sir.)

Now, for our fighter plane.
We have an awesome engine we can use, which is tested and (due to usage in our dive bomber) keeps logistics simple. We want to directly start with the use of metal monoplanes, enclosed cockpit etc. Additionally, I propose using a 20mm cannon instead of machine guns. Our only machine gun has a calibre of 7.62mm (which is not enough for air to air combat), and I do not want to mount a dozen MGs in one plane, which is the main change compared to Funk's Tornado plane.

Proposal: Project 3502: P-F-35 "Hawk"

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All-metal, enclosed cockpit monoplane
Crew: 1
Length: 8.7m
Wingspan: 11.4m
Height: 2.6m
Max. Takeoff Weight: 3000kg
Powerplant: AEM1933 "Hurricane" aircraft engine
Armament: 20mm cannon (C-20mm-35/L Dagger)

Target values:
Range: 1000km
Cruise Speed: 430km/h

Now, for that 20mm cannon.
Proposal: Project 3503: C-20mm-35/H "Rapier" and C-20mm-35/L "Dagger"

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Single-Barrel auto-cannon, built in two variants.
One is an anti-air cannon (including mount) with a lower RoF (ca 400rpm) and longer, heavier barrel. This is the main design priority; design that one first.
If this is successful, use the rest of the time to lighten the gun, with a shorter, lighter barrel and higher RoF; designed for short fire and cooling by airflow.

Additionally, we're going to need an engine for the Dartfish.
Proposal: Project 3504: E-S-35 "Watermill"

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I don't know what kind of stats are important here. It's a fairly purpose-built propulsion complex for the Dartfish, should probably produce around 45MW, be oil-fired and propel the Dartfish to 35-40knots.

Did we ever get the votes in for the POAC? If not, I'll go back and submit them when I get home from school. Secondly, may I suggest we design a new rifle? That's really the only thing that I can think of that would be nice.

Spoiler: Name Pending (will think of one when I get home from school (click to show/hide)

 The rifle would be semi automatic and use a 15 round box magazine. It will be in the 7.62x54mmR. (Is this too big? Should we use a smaller round? I'm trying to make sure this thing doesn't become a logistical nightmare.)

Preferably a retractable or folding stock for easier motion inside the APCs. The gun needs to, preferably, be fairly light and easy to handle.

As for range, how does accurate to 1,000 meters sound?

Might I suggest using the M1 Carbine as an inspiration? 7.62×33mm cartridge (which makes the recoil far easier to control and ammunition easier to carry), light-weight, and with 15-30 rounds magazines. It is only going to be accurate to 300m or so, but we don't need really need more range - concealment is the main factor in that [1].

Also, thanks for reminding me of voting for traits.
POAC: Top-Hatch, Reliable
Top-Hatch allows for mounted combat, allows for easier modification (mortar carriers anyone?) and so on. Reliable, since it's probable we'll rely on these for quite a bit - I am thinking about a cargo carrier variant with lighter armour, for example.

C-V-45-M1935: Optical System, Simpler

@aseaheru: Do we need to design bombs, for example? And if so, do we need to design every type (weight class/payload) separately?


[1] See, for example, here - apparently, about 88% of engagements take place at less than 300m.

[Aseaheru]

 You will need to design bombs. Currently the only things that are bomb-like are the torpedoes. Which brings up an interesting thing.

 _{Also, you may want to develop some sort of radio...}

[3_14159]

You will need to design bombs. Currently the only things that are bomb-like are the torpedoes. Which brings up an interesting thing.

 _{Also, you may want to develop some sort of radio...}

On reading that again, you're right. I read the "three votes per section allowed" as "three designs allowed". No comment. I had originally ommited both radio and bomb designs because I prioritized the other ones more. But, with the available teams, there's actually a pretty nice matchup.

Project 3505: B-750-35-HE/AP/IC/SM

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750kg aircraft bomb, compatible with our HGAAM1934 "Baklan" heavy dive bomber.
The project is supposed to develop (in order of priority) high explosive, armour-piercing, incendiary and smoke bombs. If successful, continue development of smaller bombs of 500kg and 250kg. Following that, they may develop whatever bomb they like (different sizes, maybe a 500kg depth charge etc).

Project 3506: R-V-35: Vehicular Radioset Model 1935

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A vehicular radioset, intended for the Baklan and Hawk fighter and the POAC armoured transport. Not intended for infantry use. Weight will probably around 50kg. If time is left, develop a longer-range, heavier variant for use in specialized vehicles.

This'd actually match the engineering teams nicely. The naval team takes the destroyer, the aeronautics team the Hawk and the gun engineering the 20mm cannon. Special projects takes the radio and is renamed to Electronic Engineering Team. Depending on the results, I'd build a new team of one skilled engineer (from aero), three basic materials engineers (from special projects) and the three new unskilled engineers and develop the bombs.


@Aseaheru: The last turn is still missing the yearly production, and I don't have a clue as to how many of each weapon systems we have available. Do you have these numbers? Otherwise, I can build a spreadsheet to track that.

Construction Project Alpha
Expand the on-loan drydock to accomodate the Dartfish. This may actually take two turns?

@Aseaheru: How many tons do you project a drydock expansion to add per turn?

[Aseaheru]

 I have sorta ditched yearly production in favor of "are enough of X being made to allow production of Y". Course, if you prefer exact numbers, and are volunteering to make a spreadsheet, who are I to deny?

 As an ongoing project? With no set goals?

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Construction:
C1:Construct a warehouse that is able to hold 2 construction projects.
C2(x2):six line factory, two aircraft engines, two aircraft weapons, and two aircraft, all underground or bombproof
C3: Expand loaned drydock (may be easier building new...)

Design:
D1(half): Reverse Engineer Winchester Model 1895 (Also known as RM1895(M1915))
D2(half): Reverse Engineer F1 Grenade.
D3.1: Tornado interceptor (six M-1 machineguns)
D3.2: Hawk fighter (Single 20mm cannon, new gun)
D4.1: 15 round box mag semi-auto battle rifle
D4.2: Carbine instead, with new ammunition
D5: Dartfish destroyer, equipped with 5 single HiLos, 10 single 40mm cannon, 10 single 20mm cannon, space for anti-sub rockets. Also hydrophones, extra space for those, all setup for easy upgrades, using new engine
D6: Dagger/Rapier Autocannons
D7: Watermill Engine (personally, I suggest looking at the AEM M1932)
D8: Bombs!
D9: Vehicular radio for shoving in Baklan, Hawk, and POAC. If extra time, bigger varient for radios on wheels

[3_14159]

I have sorta ditched yearly production in favor of "are enough of X being made to allow production of Y". Course, if you prefer exact numbers, and are volunteering to make a spreadsheet, who are I to deny?

Well, it'd be useful for getting an idea how much of everything we have - for example, High Command is concerned about the submarine:surface vessel ratio, and about having too many MGs.
Spreadsheet is in progress, currently at 1932/2 finished. I may ask you for some clarifications and stuff.

Edit: Turns out that's pretty difficult. I'd need batch sizes for all items. Additionally, what effect does a specialized factory line have when building the items it's specialized for, and when building other items? I'd have guessed 1.5x production and 2/3rd production respectively?

As an ongoing project? With no set goals?

With the goal of accomodating the Dartfish (slightly more than 2000t, probably) at the end. Also, what do you project would happen when building it new?