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[stabbymcstabstab]

We really do need a navy just because we are the unsinkable aircraft carrier doesn't mean we aren't the unshellable aircraft carrier amd our islands are small enough that every thing it in shelling range.

[10ebbor10]

And, most importantly, we're not selfsufficient.

[Funk]

Massive cannon to counter shell any one?

If we build a pair of ultra large long range guns we can disrupt any naval forces with the threat of counter shelling.

Given the size of our islands we'll need gun with a range of 20,000 meters or so to cover the entirety of our islands.
The good news is that is well within the range of a large battle ship gun.

[Happerry]

Massive cannon to counter shell any one?

If we build a pair of ultra large long range guns we can disrupt any naval forces with the threat of counter shelling.

Given the size of our islands we'll need gun with a range of 20,000 meters or so to cover the entirety of our islands.
The good news is that is well within the range of a large battle ship gun.

While Shore Cannons are useful and something we should look into, they don't actually keep us from being blockaded, as the enemy can just lurk out of our range and then shoot any cargo ships that try to do any trading when they leave that range. To prevent a blockade, we'll need naval assets of our own.

[Funk]

Then lets get some submarines, any blockade can just be threatened with torpedoes.

[Happerry]

Submarines are a good thing! They're just harder to build and more expensive then cheap patrol boats. And less visible a deterrent. (It's also harder to make them into a viable anti air asset.)

[evilcherry]

Massive cannon to counter shell any one?

If we build a pair of ultra large long range guns we can disrupt any naval forces with the threat of counter shelling.

Given the size of our islands we'll need gun with a range of 20,000 meters or so to cover the entirety of our islands.
The good news is that is well within the range of a large battle ship gun.

While Shore Cannons are useful and something we should look into, they don't actually keep us from being blockaded, as the enemy can just lurk out of our range and then shoot any cargo ships that try to do any trading when they leave that range. To prevent a blockade, we'll need naval assets of our own.

If someone wanted to blockade us we are not going to deter that with a single destroyer or cruiser anyway. Essentially, they become glorified shore batteries.

[Happerry]

Massive cannon to counter shell any one?

If we build a pair of ultra large long range guns we can disrupt any naval forces with the threat of counter shelling.

Given the size of our islands we'll need gun with a range of 20,000 meters or so to cover the entirety of our islands.
The good news is that is well within the range of a large battle ship gun.

While Shore Cannons are useful and something we should look into, they don't actually keep us from being blockaded, as the enemy can just lurk out of our range and then shoot any cargo ships that try to do any trading when they leave that range. To prevent a blockade, we'll need naval assets of our own.

If someone wanted to blockade us we are not going to deter that with a single destroyer or cruiser anyway. Essentially, they become glorified shore batteries.

The key word in your statement is 'A single'. Of course we need more then one, just like we'd need more then one gun or tank or shore battery.

[Aseaheru]

So, vote compilation time. Or rather, proposal compilations, since I can never be certain about trait votes at this point. I suggest that each person copies over the list below, adding their votes as needed. Voting ends when I see that four people have voted.

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits(Top Two Votes)
Even Cheaper: (Costs goes down to 3t steel, 2t aluminum for a system)
-
Even Lighter: (Weight goes down to 1.5t)
-
More Power: (Power goes up to three)
-
Never Breaks: (Spare parts requirement halved)
-

Spoiler: Boiler/Turbine System 1932 (click to show/hide)

Boiler/Turbine System 1932(Top Vote)
Heavy Doubled Weight:
-
Expensive: Doubled Costs
-
Slow firing: Halfed rate of fire
-
Cantankerous: Needs 2x the spare parts
-
Overly Complex: smaller batches (25 per batch)
-

PROPOSALS[/u]

BUILD
Proposal B1: Construct a small airfield

Proposal B1.2: Locate site for seaplanes instead

Proposal B2: Construct two three-line factories. The first to produce two lines RM1891 and one RM1891, the second to produce two lines of AEM M1932, one of AA (presumably M1932 40mmAAA Cannon)

Proposal B3: Construct a factory for the creation and maintenance of motor vehicles and armor

ACQUIRE
Proposal A1: Acquire Scraper Trucks(or designs for) for the construction of roads.

Proposal A2: Setup stable supply lines of steel and aluminum

Proposal A2.2: With minor capitalist or fascist powers (suggested Portugal, Argentina, Mexico, Finland, South Africa, and Ireland)

Proposal A3: Acquire a number of Canadian Vickers Vancouver sea planes

DEVELOP
Proposal D1:

Spoiler: Ray Class High-Speed Coastal Submarine (click to show/hide)

Ray-class High Speed Coastal submarine

Displacement: 210 ton surfaced
              250 ton submerged
Length    : 42 m
Beam      : 3.3 m
Draft     :  3.1 m
Propulsion: Diesel-Electric
            300 hp Diesel
            1800 hp electric
            single shaft
Speed     : 13 knots surfaced
            20 knots submerged
Range     : 1250 nmi
Complement: 11
Armament  :
      - 3 torpedo tubes

Proposal D2:

Spoiler: Interim Coastal Patrol Boat (click to show/hide)

Cheap patrol boat armed with a machine gun and possibly torpedoes

FREE
Proposal F1: Tool the small factory to produce SM1895 and RM1891.

Proposal F1.2: Tool one line for RM1891, the second to produce 7.62x54mm rounds

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Vote fot B1, B2, B3, D1

D2.1
Develop a wooden shore defense vessel armed with two torpedoes, 40mm AA gun and machinegun.

D3, Standard diesel engine (SDE)
Develop a 50hp universal diesel engine that can be used for light patrol vessels, trains, combat engenieering vehicles, tanks and submarines.
Key requirements: low cost, high production speed, reliability and ability to combine several engines in one power unit with minimal problems.

We need this one because we can't allow ourself to design engines for everything. Neither we should try to create good engines. Operable is what we need.

[evilcherry]

Massive cannon to counter shell any one?

If we build a pair of ultra large long range guns we can disrupt any naval forces with the threat of counter shelling.

Given the size of our islands we'll need gun with a range of 20,000 meters or so to cover the entirety of our islands.
The good news is that is well within the range of a large battle ship gun.

While Shore Cannons are useful and something we should look into, they don't actually keep us from being blockaded, as the enemy can just lurk out of our range and then shoot any cargo ships that try to do any trading when they leave that range. To prevent a blockade, we'll need naval assets of our own.

If someone wanted to blockade us we are not going to deter that with a single destroyer or cruiser anyway. Essentially, they become glorified shore batteries.

The key word in your statement is 'A single'. Of course we need more then one, just like we'd need more then one gun or tank or shore battery.

And how are we going to support that many destroyers? We will run severely over our naval force limits.

Traits:
Mortar: Slow rate of fire
Engine: Even Cheaper, Never breaks

Proposals:

B1, B2
A1, A2.2, A3
D2
F1.2
Proposal(?)
Try to get more Chinese on our soil. They are fascist in all but name at this point of time, and they must have more bodies that our glorious nation can put into use. We buy their labour, we give them gold.

[Aseaheru]

Edited list with votes and the like.
Why am I the only one who can do this? I men, it makes it a hell of a lot easier, and takes all of ten extra seconds.

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Boiler/Turbine System 1932(Top Two Votes)
Even Cheaper: (Costs goes down to 3t steel, 2t aluminum for a system)
-Cherry
Even Lighter: (Weight goes down to 1.5t)
-
More Power: (Power goes up to three)
-
Never Breaks: (Spare parts requirement halved)
-Cherry

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits(Top Vote)
Heavy: Doubled Weight:
-
Expensive: Doubled Costs
-
Slow firing: Halfed rate of fire
-Cherry
Cantankerous: Needs 2x the spare parts
-
Overly Complex: smaller batches (25 per batch)
-

PROPOSALS[/u]

BUILD
Proposal B1: Construct a small airfield
-Cherry,UR

Proposal B1.2: Locate site for seaplanes instead
-

Proposal B2: Construct two three-line factories. The first to produce two lines RM1891 and one RM1891, the second to produce two lines of AEM M1932, one of AA (presumably M1932 40mmAAA Cannon)
-Cherry, UR

Proposal B3: Construct a factory for the creation and maintenance of motor vehicles and armor
-UR

ACQUIRE
Proposal A1: Acquire Scraper Trucks(or designs for) for the construction of roads.
-Cherry

Proposal A2: Setup stable supply lines of steel and aluminum
-

Proposal A2.2: With minor capitalist or fascist powers (suggested Portugal, Argentina, Mexico, Finland, South Africa, and Ireland)
-Cherry

Proposal A3: Acquire a number of Canadian Vickers Vancouver sea planes
-Cherry

DEVELOP
Proposal D1:

Spoiler: Ray Class High-Speed Coastal Submarine (click to show/hide)

Ray-class High Speed Coastal submarine

Displacement: 210 ton surfaced
              250 ton submerged
Length    : 42 m
Beam      : 3.3 m
Draft     :  3.1 m
Propulsion: Diesel-Electric
            300 hp Diesel
            1800 hp electric
            single shaft
Speed     : 13 knots surfaced
            20 knots submerged
Range     : 1250 nmi
Complement: 11
Armament  :
      - 3 torpedo tubes

-Cherry

Proposal D2:

Spoiler: Interim Coastal Patrol Boat (click to show/hide)

Cheap patrol boat armed with a machine gun and possibly torpedoes

-Cherry

Proposal D2.2: Develop a wooden shore defense vessel armed with two torpedoes, 40mm AA gun and machinegun.
-UR


Proposal D3, Standard diesel engine (SDE)
Develop a 50hp universal diesel engine that can be used for light patrol vessels, trains, combat engineering vehicles, tanks and submarines.
Key requirements: low cost, high production speed, reliability and ability to combine several engines in one power unit with minimal problems.
-UR
FREE
Proposal F1: Tool the small factory to produce SM1895 and RM1891.

Proposal F1.2: Tool one line for RM1891, the second to produce 7.62x54mm rounds
-Cherry

Proposal F2: import Chinese. Somehow or other.

[Funk]

Edited list with votes and the like. Why am I the only one who can do this? I men, it makes it a hell of a lot easier, and takes all of ten extra seconds. Your not the only one i do it as well.

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Boiler/Turbine System 1932(Top Two Votes)
Even Cheaper: (Costs goes down to 3t steel, 2t aluminum for a system)
-Cherry
-Funk
Even Lighter: (Weight goes down to 1.5t)
-
More Power: (Power goes up to three)
-
Never Breaks: (Spare parts requirement halved)
-Cherry, Funk

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits(Top Vote)
Heavy: Doubled Weight:
-
Expensive: Doubled Costs
-
Slow firing: Halfed rate of fire
-Cherry, Funk
Cantankerous: Needs 2x the spare parts
-
Overly Complex: smaller batches (25 per batch)
-

PROPOSALS[/u]

BUILD
Proposal B1: Construct a small airfield
-Cherry,UR, Funk

Proposal B1.2: Locate site for seaplanes instead
-

Proposal B2: Construct two three-line factories. The first to produce two lines RM1891 and one RM1891, the second to produce two lines of AEM M1932, one of AA (presumably M1932 40mmAAA Cannon)
-Cherry, UR, Funk

Proposal B3: Construct a factory for the creation and maintenance of motor vehicles and armor
-UR, Funk

ACQUIRE
Proposal A1: Acquire Scraper Trucks(or designs for) for the construction of roads.
-Cherry

Proposal A2: Setup stable supply lines of steel and aluminum
-

Proposal A2.2: With minor capitalist or fascist powers (suggested Portugal, Argentina, Mexico, Finland, South Africa, and Ireland)
-Cherry

Proposal A3: Acquire a number of Canadian Vickers Vancouver sea planes
-Cherry

DEVELOP
Proposal D1:

Spoiler: Ray Class High-Speed Coastal Submarine (click to show/hide)

Ray-class High Speed Coastal submarine

Displacement: 210 ton surfaced
              250 ton submerged
Length    : 42 m
Beam      : 3.3 m
Draft     :  3.1 m
Propulsion: Diesel-Electric
            300 hp Diesel
            1800 hp electric
            single shaft
Speed     : 13 knots surfaced
            20 knots submerged
Range     : 1250 nmi
Complement: 11
Armament  :
      - 3 torpedo tubes

-Cherry, Funk

Proposal D2:

Spoiler: Interim Coastal Patrol Boat (click to show/hide)

Cheap patrol boat armed with a machine gun and possibly torpedoes

-Cherry

Proposal D2.2: Develop a wooden shore defense vessel armed with two torpedoes, 40mm AA gun and machinegun.
-UR, Funk


Proposal D3, Standard diesel engine (SDE)
Develop a 50hp universal diesel engine that can be used for light patrol vessels, trains, combat engineering vehicles, tanks and submarines.
Key requirements: low cost, high production speed, reliability and ability to combine several engines in one power unit with minimal problems.
-UR, Funk
FREE
Proposal F1: Tool the small factory to produce SM1895 and RM1891.

Proposal F1.2: Tool one line for RM1891, the second to produce 7.62x54mm rounds
-Cherry, Funk

Proposal F2: import Chinese. Somehow or other.

[10ebbor10]

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Boiler/Turbine System 1932(Top Two Votes)
Even Cheaper: (Costs goes down to 3t steel, 2t aluminum for a system)
-Cherry
-Funk
Even Lighter: (Weight goes down to 1.5t)
-10ebbor10
More Power: (Power goes up to three)
-10ebbor10
Never Breaks: (Spare parts requirement halved)
-Cherry, Funk

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits(Top Vote)
Heavy: Doubled Weight:
-
Expensive: Doubled Costs
-
Slow firing: Halfed rate of fire
-Cherry, Funk, 10ebbor10
Cantankerous: Needs 2x the spare parts
-
Overly Complex: smaller batches (25 per batch)
-

PROPOSALS[/u]

BUILD
Proposal B1: Construct a small airfield
-Cherry,UR, Funk,10ebbor10

Proposal B1.2: Locate site for seaplanes instead
-

Proposal B2: Construct two three-line factories. The first to produce two lines RM1891 and one RM1891, the second to produce two lines of AEM M1932, one of AA (presumably M1932 40mmAAA Cannon)
-Cherry, UR, Funk,10ebbor10

Proposal B3: Construct a factory for the creation and maintenance of motor vehicles and armor
-UR, Funk

ACQUIRE
Proposal A1: Acquire Scraper Trucks(or designs for) for the construction of roads.
-Cherry

Proposal A2: Setup stable supply lines of steel and aluminum
-10ebbor10

Proposal A2.2: With minor capitalist or fascist powers (suggested Portugal, Argentina, Mexico, Finland, South Africa, and Ireland)
-Cherry

Proposal A3: Acquire a number of Canadian Vickers Vancouver sea planes
-Cherry

DEVELOP
Proposal D1:

Spoiler: Ray Class High-Speed Coastal Submarine (click to show/hide)

Ray-class High Speed Coastal submarine

Displacement: 210 ton surfaced
              250 ton submerged
Length    : 42 m
Beam      : 3.3 m
Draft     :  3.1 m
Propulsion: Diesel-Electric
            300 hp Diesel
            1800 hp electric
            single shaft
Speed     : 13 knots surfaced
            20 knots submerged
Range     : 1250 nmi
Complement: 11
Armament  :
      - 3 torpedo tubes

-Cherry, Funk,10ebbor10

Proposal D2:

Spoiler: Interim Coastal Patrol Boat (click to show/hide)

Cheap patrol boat armed with a machine gun and possibly torpedoes

-Cherry

Proposal D2.2: Develop a wooden shore defense vessel armed with two torpedoes, 40mm AA gun and machinegun.
-UR, Funk,10ebbor10


Proposal D3, Standard diesel engine (SDE)
Develop a 50hp universal diesel engine that can be used for light patrol vessels, trains, combat engineering vehicles, tanks and submarines.
Key requirements: low cost, high production speed, reliability and ability to combine several engines in one power unit with minimal problems.
-UR, Funk,10ebbor10
FREE
Proposal F1: Tool the small factory to produce SM1895 and RM1891.

Proposal F1.2: Tool one line for RM1891, the second to produce 7.62x54mm rounds
-Cherry, Funk,10ebbor10

Proposal F2: import Chinese. Somehow or other.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Boiler/Turbine System 1932(Top Two Votes)
Even Cheaper: (Costs goes down to 3t steel, 2t aluminum for a system)
-Cherry
-Funk
Even Lighter: (Weight goes down to 1.5t)
-10ebbor10, UR
More Power: (Power goes up to three)
-10ebbor10, UR
Never Breaks: (Spare parts requirement halved)
-Cherry, Funk

Spoiler: Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits (click to show/hide)

Electro Automatic Mortar 1932 Traits(Top Vote)
Heavy: Doubled Weight:
-UR
Expensive: Doubled Costs
-
Slow firing: Halfed rate of fire
-Cherry, Funk, 10ebbor10
Cantankerous: Needs 2x the spare parts
-
Overly Complex: smaller batches (25 per batch)
-

PROPOSALS[/u]

BUILD
Proposal B1: Construct a small airfield
-Cherry,UR, Funk,10ebbor10

Proposal B1.2: Locate site for seaplanes instead
-

Proposal B2: Construct two three-line factories. The first to produce two lines RM1891 and one RM1891, the second to produce two lines of AEM M1932, one of AA (presumably M1932 40mmAAA Cannon)
-Cherry, UR, Funk,10ebbor10

Proposal B3: Construct a factory for the creation and maintenance of motor vehicles and armor
-UR, Funk

ACQUIRE
Proposal A1: Acquire Scraper Trucks(or designs for) for the construction of roads.
-Cherry

Proposal A2: Setup stable supply lines of steel and aluminum
-10ebbor10

Proposal A2.2: With minor capitalist or fascist powers (suggested Portugal, Argentina, Mexico, Finland, South Africa, and Ireland)
-Cherry

Proposal A3: Acquire a number of Canadian Vickers Vancouver sea planes
-Cherry

DEVELOP
Proposal D1:

Spoiler: Ray Class High-Speed Coastal Submarine (click to show/hide)

Ray-class High Speed Coastal submarine

Displacement: 210 ton surfaced
              250 ton submerged
Length    : 42 m
Beam      : 3.3 m
Draft     :  3.1 m
Propulsion: Diesel-Electric
            300 hp Diesel
            1800 hp electric
            single shaft
Speed     : 13 knots surfaced
            20 knots submerged
Range     : 1250 nmi
Complement: 11
Armament  :
      - 3 torpedo tubes

-Cherry, Funk,10ebbor10

Proposal D2:

Spoiler: Interim Coastal Patrol Boat (click to show/hide)

Cheap patrol boat armed with a machine gun and possibly torpedoes

-Cherry

Proposal D2.2: Develop a wooden shore defense vessel armed with two torpedoes, 40mm AA gun and machinegun.
-UR, Funk,10ebbor10


Proposal D3, Standard diesel engine (SDE)
Develop a 50hp universal diesel engine that can be used for light patrol vessels, trains, combat engineering vehicles, tanks and submarines.
Key requirements: low cost, high production speed, reliability and ability to combine several engines in one power unit with minimal problems.
-UR, Funk,10ebbor10
FREE
Proposal F1: Tool the small factory to produce SM1895 and RM1891.

Proposal F1.2: Tool one line for RM1891, the second to produce 7.62x54mm rounds
-Cherry, Funk,10ebbor10

Proposal F2: import Chinese. Somehow or other.



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