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[3_14159]

@Pi
I thought to start off at 250+2x50, and top it at 2x250+2x50 or equivalent. That's why I wanted to increase the engine room.

I see. Well, in that case I'd definitely prefer a single engine; but rather a 400hp instead of a 350hp one.

In comparison to that, I'd prefer a medium instead of a heavy tank, so about 45t maximum (rather 40). We need numbers, we need flexibility and we need mobility. All of these count against such a design.

Now, let me add to this:

Spoiler: Cormorant Patrol Bomber (click to show/hide)

A twin-engined medium/patrol bomber.
The bomber mounts two Hurricane aircraft engines in wing pods, and should have capacities for about two tons of bombs. It has a six-man crew, and has two turrets (front and back) with two M1934 machine guns each.
The main use for the bomber is anti-shipping duty (which necessitates long range and endurance) and medium bomber (which necessitates a high payload). To further facilitate this, the bomb bay can be partially or wholly converted between auxiliary fuel tanks and ammunition, which can be exchanged in the base. By carrying only one torpedos, for example, range should be expanded by 25-50%.
The range should probably be about 3000-4000km.

Spoiler: Proposal List (click to show/hide)

D.1.1 MT1938 Badger (Medium Tank)
D.1.2 POIT Infantry Tank
D.1.3 HT1938 Badger (Heavy Tank)
D.2 350hp tank engine
D.3 Rapid Carbine
D.4 Firestorm Mk. II
D.5 Cormorant Patrol Bomber



C.1: Retool Naval Factory to Landing Crafts
C.2: 4-line vehicle engine factory for SPE-1938 engine
C.3: More gun emplacements
C.4: Refit Destroyers to 130mm guns
C.5: Two more aircraft + engine lines

[Aseaheru]

As a note, C1 will also take materials, and there are a few free pre-tooled production lines in N2 (which is a generic naval)

[Funk]

@Maegil:Yeah, doing multi-engine vehicles isn't really a good idea since that makes the transmission much more complex and prone to failure trying to sync and throttle more than one engine. That and cost, since one larger engine is about the same or even cheaper than multiple smaller engines and more reliable, as well as much more maintenance friendly.

As long as the engines are all gear together then there no need to sync up the throttles, the engines will all spin at the same rate, like a tandem bike.
No the problem is that we need a bigger transmission to combine all the engines to a single output.
If we adopt electric drive then there a natural pooling of power. 

For a tank let build aDiesel-electric transmission,
Petrol-electric transmission was tried back in ww1 and has since found a use on trains, bus and even car.
It has smooth power output, no need to change gear and fewer moving parts than a conventional transmission.
Another advantage is that engines can be scaled by just adding more SDEM1933's.

[Maegil]

There were other tanks that used more than one engine, but not as shamelessly as we do; on the other hand, that I know of only Ferdinand Porsche's super heavy prototypes used the diesel-electric transmission, such as the Maus, and I think they only did it because they probably destroyed the gearboxes trying to get them to move from a standstill...

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As for tank weights: the list below shows the late versions of some of the best tanks present at the start of the war (early versions were lighter, e.g.: the Panzer IV Ausf. B weighted only 16t).

Tank                        hp/t ratio                 Max speed (Km/h)        Off-road(Km/h)
T-34                       500/26.5=18.8                   53                          N/A
M4 Sherman             460/30.3=15,1                   48                           24
Panzer IV                 300/25=12                        40                           16
Matilda II                 190/25=7.6                        26                          14

Note that the heaviest is the Sherman at 30.3t. That's why I called my suggestion an Infantry Tank and ranged it at 20-30t, and suggested a 50-75 Heavy Tank: I was leaving room for a future late-war Panther-sized Medium at the 35-50t range.

Also note the ratios for this class of tanks, and that the T-34's 18.8 was exceptionally good. If we're to remain minimally realistic we shouldn't break that unless by accident (also, usually light tanks have in average higher ratios, heavies have lower ones).

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I like cormorants for their diving ability, and albatrosses for their long range... The plane's name seems a bit off.

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As for the proposal list, I think D1.1 was dropped (or am I mistaken?). D1.3 is not similar to the others, and should be a different proposal altogether.

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Another construction proposal: built an university (not only to get more engineers, but also doctors and scientists). If we have one, then build/improve a sciences campus specializing in physics and electronics.

[Funk]

There were other tanks that used more than one engine, but not as shamelessly as we do; on the other hand, that I know of only Ferdinand Porsche's super heavy prototypes used the diesel-electric transmission, such as the Maus, and I think they only did it because they probably destroyed the gearboxes trying to get them to move from a standstill...

Super heavy tanks tend to do that, at 188 metric tons any transmission going to take a battering.
The French Saint-Chamond and the British Mark II tried petrol electric transmission and where both moderately successfully.
We have 20 year better tech and a clean sheet to work on.

[3_14159]

I like cormorants for their diving ability, and albatrosses for their long range... The plane's name seems a bit off.

By him who died on cross, With his cruel bow he laid full low, The harmless Albatross.
I like it; renaming.


Also, resubmitting the air-launched rocket

Spoiler: Proposal D.6: R-AL-M1938 Rocket, Air-launched, 1938 (click to show/hide)

Building on our work with the P-R-AS-M1937, this is a primarily air-launched rocket.
It consists of a 130mm diameter 15kg solid-fuel rocket motor on which a 130mm diameter, 5kg warhead is mounted. Available warheads are HE, smoke and semi-armour-piercing.
Total weight is about 80kg. The rocket is air-launched, adding the rocket motor's 400-500m/s speed to the launch speed. Four small vanes protrude into the rocket exhaust, adding spin stabilization directly at launch.
Once designed, they are to develop a mounting arrangement able to mount rockets onto the Baklan's bomb mounts (probably about five per 500kg bomb mount, 7 per 750kg mount) and investigate whether they're able to mount two to four on the Firestorm interceptor.
If successful, do a few test launches from the ground, just to see their performance.

Spoiler: Proposal List (click to show/hide)

D.1.1 MT1938 Badger (Medium Tank)
D.1.2 POIT Infantry Tank
D.1.3 HT1938 Badger (Heavy Tank)
D.2 350hp tank engine
D.3 Rapid Carbine
D.4 Firestorm Mk. II
D.5 Albatross Patrol Bomber
D.6 Air-launched Rocket



C.1: Retool Naval Factory to Landing Crafts
C.2: 4-line vehicle engine factory for SPE-1938 engine
C.3: More gun emplacements
C.4: Refit Destroyers to 130mm guns
C.5: Two more aircraft + engine lines
C.6: University

Edit: Added clarification on the rocket stabilization.

[3_14159]

I'm going to add two more proposals:
D.7: Cavity Magnetron: An improved form of the cavity magnetron, using eight concentric cavities and liquid cooling.
This should significantly increase our radar strengths and make airborne radars possible.

D.8: SDE M1934 Improvements: With four years of production of the SDE M1934, the goal of this project is to simplify production and, if possible, increase quality of the engine.

Spoiler: Proposal List (click to show/hide)

D.1.1 MT1938 Badger (Medium Tank)
D.1.2 POIT Infantry Tank
D.1.3 HT1938 Badger (Heavy Tank)
D.2 350hp tank engine
D.3 Rapid Carbine
D.4 Firestorm Mk. II
D.5 Albatross Patrol Bomber
D.6 Air-launched Rocket
D.7 Cavity Magnetron
D.8 SDE M1934 engine improvements


C.1: Retool Naval Factory to Landing Crafts
C.2: 4-line vehicle engine factory for SPE-1938 engine
C.3: More gun emplacements
C.4: Refit Destroyers to 130mm guns
C.5: Two more aircraft + engine lines
C.6: University

[StrawBarrel]

Acquire Proposal:
A.1: Dogs and Dog Trainers: Possible uses include scouting, explosives detection, guarding, attacking, or military mascots.

Spoiler: Proposal List (click to show/hide)

D.1.1 MT1938 Badger (Medium Tank)
D.1.2 POIT Infantry Tank
D.1.3 HT1938 Badger (Heavy Tank)
D.2 350hp tank engine
D.3 Rapid Carbine
D.4 Firestorm Mk. II
D.5 Albatross Patrol Bomber
D.6 Air-launched Rocket
D.7 Cavity Magnetron
D.8 SDE M1934 engine improvements


C.1: Retool Naval Factory to Landing Crafts
C.2: 4-line vehicle engine factory for SPE-1938 engine
C.3: More gun emplacements
C.4: Refit Destroyers to 130mm guns
C.5: Two more aircraft + engine lines
C.6: University

A.1: Dogs and Dog Trainers

[Ukrainian Ranger]

D.9: CG1938 - 240mm long range coastal gun.

We need something to counter Brazilian navy. We can't go for really big ships but we can go for big guns

Spoiler: Proposal List (click to show/hide)

D.1.1 MT1938 Badger (Medium Tank)
D.1.2 POIT Infantry Tank
D.1.3 HT1938 Badger (Heavy Tank)
D.2 350hp tank engine
D.3 Rapid Carbine
D.4 Firestorm Mk. II
D.5 Albatross Patrol Bomber
D.6 Air-launched Rocket
D.7 Cavity Magnetron
D.8 SDE M1934 engine improvements
D.9:CG1938 - 240mm long range coastal gun.


C.1: Retool Naval Factory to Landing Crafts
C.2: 4-line vehicle engine factory for SPE-1938 engine
C.3: More gun emplacements
C.4: Refit Destroyers to 130mm guns
C.5: Two more aircraft + engine lines
C.6: University

A.1: Dogs and Dog Trainers

[Funk]

Ok so a semi fixed 240mm gun.
A few more details.

Spoiler: D.9: CG1938 details (click to show/hide)

Weight Barrel & Breech : 30t
With recoil mounting: 150

Barrel length:    13 m
Caliber:    240 mm
Rate of fire: 1 RPM
Carriage: Cradle recoil with Hydropneumatic dampers

Elevation:    0 to +45~ degrees
Traverse:    360 degrees
Muzzle velocity:    1,000~ m/s
Effective firing range:    50~ km

[tryrar]

You know what? I think I'll go full torsion bar for the Badger. It's the standard for today's tanks, and was seen later on in WWII due to how simple and reliable it is.

Spoiler: HT-1938 Badger V2 (click to show/hide)

This is a new 45-50 ton heavy tank capable of taking on almost any foe. It comes with 60mm armor plating(angled at 60 degrees) , as well as 50mm side(angled at 45 degrees) and 45mm rear armor(angled at 40 degrees). It uses the SPE-1938 high power engine for power, a torsion bar suspension, wide tracks, and a bow machine gun(MM1934), operated by the radioman. The 3-man turret features side-mounted smoke dispensers, a commander's pintle-mounted MG(MM1934), a coaxial MG(again, MM1934), as well as the C-V-45-M1935 45mm L/66 gun. Ammo capacity should be pretty generous with the 45mm gun as well. Finally, this tank is designed to be easily upgraded in the future, from the engine, to the turret, to even armor.

[Maegil]

Spoiler: Proposal list (click to show/hide)

D.1 POIT Infantry Tank
D.2 HT1938 Badger (Heavy Tank)
D.3 350hp tank engine
D.4 Rapid Carbine
D.5 Firestorm Mk. II
D.6 Albatross Patrol Bomber
D.7 Air-launched Rocket
D.8 Cavity Magnetron
D.8 SDE M1934 engine improvements
D.9:CG1938 - 240mm long range coastal gun.


C.1: Retool Naval Factory to Landing Crafts
C.2: 4-line vehicle engine factory for SPE-1938 engine
C.3: More gun emplacements
C.4: Refit Destroyers to 130mm guns
C.5: Two more aircraft + engine lines
C.6: University

A.1: Dogs and Dog Trainers

[tryrar]

Right, unless anyone can think of anything else, I say we get voting.

[Maegil]

We get four votes on each category, right? This season it'll be hard, there's so many important suggestions.

Spoiler: My votes (click to show/hide)

D.1 POIT Infantry Tank
D.3 350hp tank engine
D.6 Albatross Patrol Bomber
D.8 SDE M1934 engine improvements

C.1: Retool Naval Factory to Landing Crafts
C.3: More gun emplacements
C.4: Refit Destroyers to 130mm guns
C.6: University

A.1: Dogs and Dog Trainers

[tryrar]

Actually, we're up to 9 design projects per turn(3 with an advantage) so we can do all of them if we want. We're still stuck at 4 construction things if I haven't misread the list though.

With that in mind:

I vote for:
Design:
Everything!

Construction:
C.1
C.2
C.3
c.4