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[Aseaheru]

Please vote in the poll, it just cleans things up alot.

[Aseaheru]

 Writing up the turn while under the influence of pina colada and coffee ice cream. Funk plan is the winner. Turn here in less than an hour, or possibly two. Same post.

Funk plan incomplete. Reverting to barrel plan.

[Aseaheru]

Second Half of 1933

 With the initial, basic design of the Ray class complete, the team ordered to build another apparently decided to build something amazing. In addition to what the design initially orders, they added a number of other features that had been argued over earlier in the year.

 The resulting craft, christened to be the "Skat", was built to have a far longer range and to be able to carry external loads of... whatever is needed.

Spoiler: Ray Class HSCS #2, The Skate (click to show/hide)

Built 1933

Displacement: 230 ton surfaced
              270 ton submerged
Length    : 44 m
Beam      : 3.3 m
Draft     :  3.1 m
Propulsion: Diesel-Electric
            300 hp Diesel
            1800 hp electric
            single shaft
Speed     : 13 knots surfaced
            20 knots submerged
Range     : 2000 nmi
Complement: 11
Armament  :
      - 3 torpedo tubes (6 in storage)
      - Internal Mine Storage (Six)
      - 4x external attachment points

Cost: 78ton steel, 57 ton AL

 Work on building a second CDV, meanwhile, went less well. There where a number of setbacks which caused slightly more material than originally needed to be used. Otherwise, the resulting ship is a bog-standard CDV M1933.


 In the workshops, new designs are worked on to great success. With new aircraft on the island, and an airport just begging to be filled with new craft, the design teams realize that they need an engine to put in these aircraft. To this end, they design the AE M1933, nicknamed the "hurricane". The resulting engine, made of an alloy of aluminum that reduces weight without reducing strength, may be just the thing for an interceptor to deal with any bombers that may move to attack our fair nation. Some people have expressed worry, however, that it may be confused with the AEMM1932.

Spoiler: AE M1933 "Hurricane" (click to show/hide)

An Oil/air cooled petrol engine, H block layout, 32 cylinders.
Bore of 100mm, Stoke 90mm.
Total Engine displacement 22,628cc
Power:900 hp
RPM:4500
Weight: 750kg

Centrifugal Supercharger, with two gear ratios for altitude compensation.

3ton AL used per batch

Spoiler: AEM1933 Traits (Pick Two) (click to show/hide)

Even fucking lighter: Weight goes down ANOTHER 100kg
Cost? There is no cost!: Cost reduced to 1ton AL per batch
MORE POWER!:Power goes up to 1500HP
Modular!:Engine become modular
Any Fuel:What it says on the tin
Never Breaks:Halves parts requirements

 Nearby to the engine team, a second team works on creating the tank gun for all jobs, the ATHM1933. The team has all sorts of ideas on how to make it amazing. The team also designed some munitions for it, including smoke, HE, AP, and even something they call APCRBC. Most of the other teams think they had a few toomany drinks that night.

Spoiler: ATHM1933 (click to show/hide)

Weight       : 1750kg
Barrel length    :2.50 meter
Caliber          : 87.6mm
Action           : Vertical sliding block
Rate of Fire     : 6-8 rpm
Muzzle velocity  : 200 m/s
Effective Range  : 8000 m
Feed system    : Breech Loaded
Crew:6

One batch costs 4ton steel, 1 AL

Spoiler: traits(you get two) (click to show/hide)

Small crew: A crew of 5
Light: Weight down to 1500KG
Long range: Range increased by 1000m
Autoloader!: Possesses a 6 shot mag that takes 35seconds to reload.
Quick Reload: Rate of fire up to 10-12 rpm. If used with autoloader, reload down to 25 seconds for a reload.
Accurate: Read the tin please
Never Breaks: Parts requirements halved
Idiot Proof: Training requirement reduced
Cheapo: Cost down to 3ton steel, one AL

 Remember that aircraft engine that is designed for interceptors? Well, a team of people went to work designing a gun that could well render their job moot. Called the AATS M1933 'HiLo', this 105mm cannon has a rate of fire well over what was ordered, along with having a longer range and even being lighter. The ATHM team is slightly worried, and may well have good reason as the team also designed a set of amazing rounds for it, including AP, HE, Frag, Smoke, WP, along with a round that, after testing, they destroyed all papers on it. Apparently it was too powerful... Still, the cost of the weapon is nothing to be sniffed at.

Spoiler:  AATSM1933 'HiLo' (click to show/hide)

Caliber: 105mm
Barrel Length: 5250mm (50 calibers)
Breech: Sliding Block Design
Projected RoF: 13 RPM
Barrel+Breech Weight: 2500kgs
Total installation including mount & traverse: 11000kgs
effective range at 0 degrees elevation: 8500m
Crew Required: 3 (for the gun itself, entire crew of 6)

Cost: 4ton steel, 4ton al per batch

Spoiler: AATSM1933 Traits (Three! Amazing!) (click to show/hide)

Small crew: A crew of 2 for the gun itself
Light: Weight down to 2000KG
Long range: Range increased by 1000m
Autoloader!: Possesses a 8 shot mag that takes 35seconds to reload.
Quick Reload: Rate of fire up to 14-16 rpm. If used with autoloader, reload down to 25 seconds for a reload.
Accurate: Read the tin please
Never Breaks: Parts requirements halved
Idiot Proof: Training requirement reduced
Cheapo: Cost down to two and two.

Meanwhile, in the land of factories and similar, the remaining production lines are tooled, with the first batch of parts for T-18 tanks coming off to be immediately whisked away by the waiting tank crews, while the first batch of EAMM1932s are promptly stolen by crews jsut itching to start learning about their new mortars.

Spoiler: Yearly Production (click to show/hide)

2x Ray Class (Ray, Skate)
2x CDV M1933
4x SDE M1933
400x RM1891
150x MM1911
300x SM1895
10x AEMM1932
5000x 7.62x54mm

Spoiler: Current Requests (click to show/hide)

 The head of the naval arm mentioned something about low stocks of torpedoes, 40mm ammunition, and mines.

 The head of the Armored arm states that while they are happy with the current model of tank in use, a form of self-propelled anti-tank gun may be useful. They love that they have more tanks coming.

 The head of the Defense arm is currently just wondering when they can get some of those new guns.

 The overall head of the Armed Forces has stated that stocks of smallarms is worryingly low, and that an additional 350 machine guns, 9,600 rifles, and 4,700 sidearms would be a useful addition. They are asking questions about what kinds of aircraft you aim to design, and if you plan on making any bombs.

 The council is currently content with your work.

Spoiler: Structures, Materials, and specialized tools (click to show/hide)

One office building
One large warehouse
One small workshop (No production lines possible)
One small drydock (On loan from armed forces)(500t maximum)
One Large Workshop (One line RM1891 (200 units per half-year), one line 7.62x54mm rounds)
Factory M1 as follows:
           - Line 1 : MM1911
           - Line 2 : SM1895
           - Line 3 : 7.62×38 rounds
Factory M2 as follows:
           - Line 1: EAM M1932 mortar
           - Line 2: 7.62×54mm rounds
           - Line 3: AEM shells
One medium vehicular factory (one production line, Tooled for T-18 and parts)

Eleven Scraper Trucks

5000t timber per half-year
As much stone as is needed
2280t steel, stockpiled, 483 ton annually
420t aluminum, stockpiled, 396 ton annually

Spoiler: Personnel (click to show/hide)

3 middling architect(s)
2 basic architect(s)
3 basic aeronautical engineer(s)
3 middling engineer(s) (basic)
6 skilled engineer(s) (Basic)
1 Masterfull Engineer(s)
2 basic engineer(s) (basic)
1 basic Weapons Engineer(s)
4 material engineer(s)
1 middling material Engineer(s)
4 basic material engineer(s)
3 middling naval engineer(s)
1 skilled naval engineer(s)
3 basic naval engineer(s)
1 skilled electronics engineers(s)
3 basic electronics engineer(s)
35 laborers
7 skilled laborers

Spoiler: Current, in progress, Projects (click to show/hide)

N/A

Spoiler: Completed Projects (click to show/hide)

Ray HSCS
CDV M1933
SDE M1933
AE M1933 "Hurricane"
ATH M1933
AATS M1933 'HiLo'

Wow. Just... Wow. Crit wins on every sodding design. Minor win on the sub
Yes, ship construction can result in fun things if off production line, and one success so good I dident even have a name for it. Well, you guys got some stuff to do, so have at it.

[coleslaw35]

Spoiler: My vote for the traits for the "Hurricane": (click to show/hide)

Even fucking lighter Modular
MORE POWER!

This would give a nice boost of speed to anything we use the engine for.

Spoiler: My vote for the traits for the ATHM1933: (click to show/hide)

Quick Reload
Accurate

I feel like this combination would be extremely strong. Obviously due to the fact that there's more potential for shots to be squeezed out and they'll be more accurate.

Spoiler: My vote for the traits for the "HiLo": (click to show/hide)

Autoloader!
Accurate
Cheapo

Autoloader because of the default higher firerate than the anti-tank gun (which doesn't really make sense tbh considering it's such a big cannon, much larger than the anti-tank one). Accurate because, well, you know, this thing is big and strong, so if it'll hit it's mark it'll really do some damage. Lastly, Cheapo. Honestly, I'm not sure if I really prefer this one, I'll leave it to you guys.

Spoiler: Now, some suggestions I have: (click to show/hide)

This is rather low priority as of now, considering we probably have some time before we're actually attacked. I noticed that in the soldier loadout list one page 1, our soldiers don't have helmets, just some cloth hats. I think it'd be a good idea to, when we can, get our hands (heads?) on (in?) some helmets.

"torpedoes, 40mm ammunition, and mines." We WOULD make some of these if only we actually had some available production lines. I suggest we try to develop more industrial potential. Didn't I see a small workshop in the list of our current constructions? Could we develop that into something more useful?

Lastly, The Overall Head of the Armed Forces asked about bombs. I suggest that (once our air force is up and running properly) we look into ways of using our vast amount of timber to ease off the requirement of steel for bombs.

[Happerry]

(I'm afraid I don't know how to use the Spoiler function, so forgive me for length.)
My vote for the traits for the "Hurricane":
Even fucking lighter
MORE POWER!
This will be such a huge increase in speed.

My vote for the traits for the ATHM1933:
Quick Reload
Accurate
I feel like this combination would be extremely strong. Obviously due to the fact that there's more potential for shots to be squeezed out and they'll be more accurate.

My vote for the traits for the "HiLo":
Autoloader!
Accurate
Cheapo
Autoloader because of the default higher firerate than the anti-tank gun (which doesn't really make sense tbh considering it's such a big cannon, much larger than the anti-tank one). Accurate because, well, you know, this thing is big and strong, so if it'll hit it's mark it'll really do some damage. Lastly, Cheapo. Honestly, I'm not sure if I really prefer this one, I'll leave it to you guys.

+1 from me.

[evilcherry]

Votes on traits:

Hurricane: - Lighter, more power: This is now a proper engine, ahead of our time! Export markets anyone?
ATHM1933: - Small crew, Autoloader: As said, its nothing to be fancied about. Still, it will work as a future tank gun for medium tanks, if we can also work on the manpower requirement. For the time being, can we fit them on the T18 chassis as tank destroyers?
AATSM1933 HiLo: Autoloader, accurate, small crew: This will be our main line of defense against... literally anything which has a chance of reaching our shores.

What are we lacking now:
- Coordination on naval building. Because I hate putting crews into things which ought to be built continuously. Not to mention that they will want the dock back.
- Small arms production. Because we lack them, high time.
- Munitions. Especially we have a multitude of calibers now!
- On aircraft, we lack both Anti-sub and basic air power projection. A couple of dive bombers will work nicely.
- Helmets, as we are not exactly high on manpower.
- More Manpower.
- We could care less before we have more Manpower. We don't want to end up with guns without hands to fire them.

So I end up with this list:

Construction:
- Naval Factory, 2x1000t capacity
- Munitions Factory, as large as practical
- Small Arms Factory, as large as practical

Designs:

Spoiler: Dive Bomber "Baklan" (click to show/hide)

2x Hurricane Engine
4 seats (1 Pilot, 1 Bomber cum Gunner, 1 Rear Gunner/radio operator, 1 navigator/aux gunner)
Fixed Armament: 6x Lewis Guns (2 forward, 2 in ventral turret, 2 rearwards in turret)
Speed/turning ratio to be optimized if possible
Range needed: at least 4 hours
Optional Munitions:
at least 1t of capacity
Capable of carrying bombs, torpedo or extra machine guns

Basically a stuka-lite with equal or better range

Spoiler: Iron Helmet (click to show/hide)

Because we need them!

Spoiler: Machine pistol (click to show/hide)

What we didn't make last turn. Time to decide on a caliber. I'm still firmly .45.
Also if possible try to keep to a cheap, stamped design, perhaps reinforced with wood. We have an abundance of these and its criminal not to improve our advantage.

"Free" actions:
- Import manpower. Import manpower. Import manpower. Plokhoy Ostrov Stronk.
- Buy pistols to match our Machine pistol design.
- Buy obsolete weapons on the market as long as no new calibers are introduced and they are actually useful.
- Do we have an idea of what is on the market at the moment? we can afford to be opportunistic.

[Aseaheru]

For weapons that are available on the market, well, if it is being made at that time, or prior to that time, than you can buy them.

For the T-18 tank destroyer, turreted or fixed gun?

[coleslaw35]

For the T-18 tank destroyer, turreted or fixed gun?

Ok, hold up... We're trying to put a cannon like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_25-pounder#/media/File:QF-25-pounder-beyt-hatotchan-2.jpg    (I use this as a reference because the caliber is the same and the barrel length is only a few centimeters off, compared to our AT gun)
Onto this?:
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/soviet-tank-t-18-12703308.jpg

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but if this is the case, I don't think it'd really be feasible without having huge modifications made to the chassis, if not a whole new chassis to mount this thing on. Plus, I don't think the T-18 chassis is something we'd want to mount such a gun on due to the thin armor. It'd be too soft a target, in my opinion. I'd suggest a chassis design, but I've gone over my suggestion limit

[coleslaw35]

Spoiler: Dive Bomber "Baklan" (click to show/hide)

2x Hurricane Engine
4 seats (1 Pilot, 1 Bomber cum Gunner, 1 Rear Gunner/radio operator, 1 navigator/aux gunner)
Fixed Armament: 6x Lewis Guns (2 forward, 2 in ventral turret, 2 rearwards in turret)
Speed/turning ratio to be optimized if possible
Range needed: at least 4 hours
Optional Munitions:
at least 1t of capacity
Capable of carrying bombs, torpedo or extra machine guns

This sounds like a really big plane, and you plan on making this a dive bomber? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like it'd be too large/heavy to effectively pull out of a dive.

[evilcherry]

For the T-18 tank destroyer, turreted or fixed gun?

Ok, hold up... We're trying to put a cannon like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_25-pounder#/media/File:QF-25-pounder-beyt-hatotchan-2.jpg    (I use this as a reference because the caliber is the same and the barrel length is only a few centimeters off, compared to our AT gun)
Onto this?:
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/soviet-tank-t-18-12703308.jpg

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but if this is the case, I don't think it'd really be feasible without having huge modifications made to the chassis, if not a whole new chassis to mount this thing on. Plus, I don't think the T-18 chassis is something we'd want to mount such a gun on due to the thin armor. It'd be too soft a target, in my opinion. I'd suggest a chassis design, but I've gone over my suggestion limit

That's basically a SU-18. Though that also means a better tank chassis is needed...

Spoiler: Dive Bomber "Baklan" (click to show/hide)

2x Hurricane Engine
4 seats (1 Pilot, 1 Bomber cum Gunner, 1 Rear Gunner/radio operator, 1 navigator/aux gunner)
Fixed Armament: 6x Lewis Guns (2 forward, 2 in ventral turret, 2 rearwards in turret)
Speed/turning ratio to be optimized if possible
Range needed: at least 4 hours
Optional Munitions:
at least 1t of capacity
Capable of carrying bombs, torpedo or extra machine guns

This sounds like a really big plane, and you plan on making this a dive bomber? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like it'd be too large/heavy to effectively pull out of a dive.

Yes I based that on the Ju 88 rather than the real Stuka Ju 87. Maybe we just settle on a Ju 88-lite? Or should we first design a fighter?

... Thinking on that, maybe the thing we need urgently now, is another caliber. This time a 20mm HMG.

[coleslaw35]

That's basically a SU-18. Though that also means a better tank chassis is needed...
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Yes I based that on the Ju 88 rather than the real Stuka Ju 87. Maybe we just settle on a Ju 88-lite? Or should we first design a fighter?

I agree with a new chassis being designed.
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Ah, the Ju-88. I see now, that sounds more plausible. However; we don't have much in the way of fighters YET, I think someone designed some but we never actually got them built. I feel like we should get fighters first, then bombers. Wouldn't want our bombers to be unprotected, their gunners can only do so much.

[10ebbor10]

Spoiler: Trait votes (click to show/hide)

Hurricane : Cheaper, More Power.
   -> Making it lighter is nice, but the cost reduction is just so huge
ATHM1933: - Small crew, Autoloader
AATSM1933 HiLo: Autoloader, accurate, small crew

Now, a single design

Spoiler: Torpedo (click to show/hide)

21-inch battery propelled Torpedo.  Aiming for a 50 km/h speed and 5 km range. Ideally, both a proximity and impact detonator will be fitted.

This project also includes the modifications required to each ship to fit these new torpedo's.

Then, production :

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Naval :

-Orfey class destroyer  [I don't think we're going to build one of these soon]
-Karp Class submarine [We're never going to build this]
-Ray Class submarine
    - 2 variants [I think we'll going to build both of these ]
-Coastal defense vehicle [We're going to build this one too]

Ground:

T-18 Tank [To be honest, I think this one should be phased out as soon as possible]

Aeronautics:

- Curtis Seaplanes [I don't think we need these]

Guns :

MM1911
RM1891
SM1895
EAM
ATHM
AATSM

Ammunition :


- 40 mm ammunition
- 37 mm ammunition

- 18 inch torpedos

- 7.62x54mm ammunition
- 7.62x38mmR ammunition

- AEM shells
- ATHM shells
- 'Hilo' shells

So, we need, at the very least :

2 Naval Lines
1 Aircraft Line
1 Ground Line
6 Gun production lines
8 Ammunition Production lines

For that matter, construction proposals, while thinking of the future :

Spoiler: Grand Production plan (click to show/hide)

2 Naval Factories :
   - 1 With a 1500 ton capacity, the other with a 500 ton capacity
1 Aircraft factory with 2 lines
Upgrade the vehicle to 2 lines
1 Ground factory with 3 lines
4 Ammunition factories with 2 lines each

[coleslaw35]

T-18 Tank [To be honest, I think this one should be phased out as soon as possible]


- 37 mm ammunition


For that matter, construction proposals, while thinking of the future :

Spoiler: Grand Production plan (click to show/hide)

2 Naval Factories :
   - 1 With a 1500 ton capacity, the other with a 500 ton capacity
1 Aircraft factory with 2 lines
Upgrade the vehicle to 2 lines
1 Ground factory with 3 lines
4 Ammunition factories with 2 lines each

I agree that we should phase out the T-18. It's outdated and weak. I believe we talked about designing a new chassis though.
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37mm ammunition? I forgot, what weapon(s) is that for?
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Those are a lot of construction proposals, but ebbor is right. Expanding our production capacity would greatly help in in securing our stocks of equipment.

[10ebbor10]

The T-18 requires it.

[coleslaw35]

The T-18 requires it.

Ah, that's right. Thanks.