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[Neonivek]

I'll put it to you this way.

This is not a "Game Tycoon" game

Game development is of tertiary importance in the game. So if you are getting it for that reason, look away.

Basically how it works is you chose to develop a game and then you need to get all the software and licenses to develop for including the platform.

Then you (well you can do it in any order) select from a list of features and these modify how good your game can "potentially" be. These might increase the 'recommended team size' (which arbitrarily slows down production, you get a penalty for not having the right size) so make sure you have enough people. After you select enough "Features" to make the game as good as you want it you send it to production.

You can also market your product (it doesn't have to be a game at all) and when you do you get bonuses to its total profit.

Development depends on the skill of your team. The higher their skill the faster it goes and the more they avoid "Delays" (which think of it like an engine stalling). When the development phase is at a "quality" you are happy with you can send it to Beta and then Alpha (Some projects don't get Betas)... THEN bug squash.

THEN after it is released you can market it to take its money. Essentially it has a potential earning and you want to eat up the cash.

I would probably say... unfortunately... that

Game Dev Tycoon is definitely the better game by a vast margin.

Sure there isn't as much "depth" but Game Dev Tycoon has a ocean of "Point" compared to this one... You feel like you are actually making a game in Game Dev Tycoon and while you can still just add features, the features still have to interact with the game you are making.

That is, if you are still thinking of this as a Game Tycoon game.

In fact this Title for this "Game Dev Tycoon + Sims" is probably the biggest lie of all... in that it is a flat out lie on both accounts.

This isn't a game about developing games, you just happen to be able to develop a game, and this isn't a game about the interpersonal interactions between people.

This game is closer to "Capitalism" IMO, the game where you make factories and sell the product.

I can't in all honesty even call this game bad... I just know that it doesn't scratch that game development tycoon itch.

I mean half the game is just trying to build a location to maximize the efficiency of your team and keep yourselves from slowing down. You don't even need to keep track of market trends because the game does it for you (no really! It will outright tell you how "innovative" you are being)

[The13thRonin]

I'll put it to you this way.

This is not a "Game Tycoon" game

Game development is of tertiary importance in the game. So if you are getting it for that reason, look away.

Basically how it works is you chose to develop a game and then you need to get all the software and licenses to develop for including the platform.

Then you (well you can do it in any order) select from a list of features and these modify how good your game can "potentially" be. These might increase the 'recommended team size' (which arbitrarily slows down production, you get a penalty for not having the right size).

You can also market your product (it doesn't have to be a game at all) and when you do you get bonuses to its total profit.

THEN after it is released you can market it to take its money.

They all work the same...

Make software
Get money
?
Pay child support

[Neonivek]

Yeah but it is hard to project how "shallow" I feel game development is in this game.

I mean don't get me wrong Game Development Tycoon wasn't breaking any molds and it had some serious problems...

But this game feels like it compounds the issue.

It isn't the game's fault... Once again the fans are completely misrepresenting the game.

This is closer to Aurora... then say Theme Hospital.

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In fact that is where I am making the comparison

Software Inc. - Aurora + Infinifactory

[dennislp3]

In fact this Title for this "Game Dev Tycoon + Sims" is probably the biggest lie of all... in that it is a flat out lie on both accounts.

You tend to be an overly negative dick and I tend to ignore it but that's really annoying.

I am not "lying" in the title.

It is similar to game dev tycoon in that you are making software over the years with teams and you control the focus and type of software developed.

It is similar to the sims because you are building the buildings, placing objects, managing employee personalities, needs, and compatibility.

They were used in the title as they, in my opinion, are the most recognizable mix of games (that I have played) that have aspects that this game has so people can see the title, judge if they are interested, and move on. The first line in the OP is "Pretty much takes the concept of Game Dev Tycoon and adds a ton of depth (company stocks, in depth employee management, employee personalities, etc) and makes a nice little package of a great simulation game."

The game is called "Software Inc." because it focuses on more than just game development. So I am sorry that you feel that game development not being the focus is such a downer for you. no need to sling your shit at everyone else because you are not happy with it.

The game is also pretty early in development so lots of it will change in the future.

[LoSboccacc]

Also the production aspect is more or less stubbed at this point, with many missing types and featured. They plan to extend it later, maybe even release the creation tool:

http://softwareinc.coredumping.com/fourteenth-update-base-mechanic-overhauled/

Beside as it is is quite more complex as a system compared to the rigid organization of game dev tycoon and it actually mimics more closely how this world work. It just need more meat, but the system which enables features based on components and the licensing system is very interesting.

What needs imho is many more software types and dev specialisation, so that licensing really comes into play (ie there is no incentive as of now in not doing the full os/utilies/engine/game stack, even with a couple dozen debs, which should be impossible)

[Neonivek]

I was kind of clear that I wasn't going to write the game a bad check for not being "Game Dev Tycoon (On Crack) + Sims" and basically amounted it to a needless hype push... but if I am going to be pushed towards that.

The issue isn't so much the game's lack of depth, though in all honesty the game comes off as shallow but vast ("Wow, so I am applying a graphical user interface! by clicking the option for one... and it just adjusts a few numbers?), but more that it lacks significance.

You develop software but you don't FEEL like you done anything. It gives the whole experience a rather numb outlook. They could literally change this game about running a paper pushing office and nothing about this game would need to change (except Network).

Give Game Dev Tycoon some credit... When you develop a game BOOM! You know how many people bought it, how many fans you got, how well people viewed it, and how much money it will potentially earn.

As for "Early in development" well thank you, but you are making this thread expecting people to buy this RIGHT NOW, it is for sale RIGHT NOW... So people need to know if their purchase is worth it "Right Now". I am certainly not speaking of the game a year down the road. When this game is further along in development I can make another comment about its development.

This game has its niche but it is certainly not people who like "Game Development Tycoon and The sims"

Also the production aspect is more or less stubbed at this point, with many missing types and featured. They plan to extend it later, maybe even release the creation tool:

http://softwareinc.coredumping.com/fourteenth-update-base-mechanic-overhauled/

Beside as it is is quite more complex as a system compared to the rigid organization of game dev tycoon and it actually mimics more closely how this world work. It just need more meat, but the system which enables features based on components and the licensing system is very interesting.

What needs imho is many more software types and dev specialisation, so that licensing really comes into play (ie there is no incentive as of now in not doing the full os/utilies/engine/game stack, even with a couple dozen debs, which should be impossible)

Needs a bit more then meat. It needs better feedback that feels less spoonfed. It needs to make the products come to life for the viewer.

So it needs meat but it also needs to spice and properly cook that meat too in order to give you a satisfying meal.

[Neonivek]

Opps double post... but I'll leave my edits here...

Look I don't want to antagonize, but I can't let people get this game without knowing what they are getting into.

I have bought way too many games because they were needlessly and inaccurately hyped... and yes I am firmly aware that you probably weren't lying (in fact why would you?) but as far as whether "Game dev Tycoon + Sims" is accurate I'd have to say heck no!

Sure Game Dev Tycoon is a Happy Meal from Mcdonalds, yeah its cheap low quality food... But it still has its own flavor...

And while Software Inc might be delicious in its own right, it might have a deep rich flavor brought forth by only the finest ingredients. It certainly isn't a burger. Sure it might have pickles maybe some special sauce, but in the end you aren't going to satisfy your burger cravings.

[dennislp3]

Where do I hype it up and push people to buy the game RIGHT NOW?

if you let hype control your purchasing choices then that is your fault. I posted all the links I did so people could look into the game and make the choice themselves. If you are not gonna do your own research and then buy a game and be disappointing then don't complain to other people.

You make it sound like I am trying to swindle people into buying this game or something.

[Neonivek]

Then don't complain about me being honest about the game... if it matters so little

I am always going to oppose unjustified hype.

Yeah I know it is annoying because he is some guy barging in and going "Yeah it isn't THAT good" and crashing your hype train... But frankly are YOU going to speak open and honestly about the games positive AND negative qualities? No? Then I am serving a very necessary component to the discussion.

[dennislp3]

Where did I complain about your opinions? I took issue with you calling me a liar...and then claiming I am overhyping the game and telling people to get it ASAP

[dennislp3]

Where did I complain about your opinions? I took issue with you calling me a liar...and then claiming I am overhyping the game and telling people to get it ASAP

[Neonivek]

Where did I complain about your opinions? I took issue with you calling me a liar...and then claiming I am overhyping the game and telling people to get it ASAP

I didn't call you a liar I called it an outright lie.

There is an actual difference.

As for overhype, no I will admit that yes I outright believe you are overhyping the game. I have played The Sims, all of them, for countless hours. Where in this game is The Sims even approached? I frankly didn't think you would get this mad because I honestly thought you were well aware you were overhyping the game intentionally to draw attention to the room.

As for "telling people to get it" ehhh, even I don't think I said you did that. (and checking what I wrote... I didn't *phew*)

[dennislp3]

Oh...right so I put a lie...but I didnt lie?

but you are making this thread expecting people to buy this RIGHT NOW, it is for sale RIGHT NOW

I made the thread so people can see the game...but whatever...I am done talking about this because your just gonna keep saying shit that doesn't actually make sense

[sebcool]

*sigh*

Can't we just all agree that this game is about software development in general, compared to the other ones that focus on games? And that because of that it is naturally slightly shallower, compared to the more focused games?

[Neonivek]

The game isn't shallow so much as it has a different focus.

Software Inc. is more of a game of team handling, layout construction, and a bit of market manipulation. That is where I think its focus lies. It is like a giant puzzle game, rather then a tycoon where you put together a freeform jigsaw puzzle.

Just if we compared the "develop software" aspect to other games, yeah it comes out as shallower...

It is why I think this game has its audience. I think there is a real great game for people who like what I think the game actually does well.

I just don't think it is the ven diagram interceptions of "Fans of Game Dev Tycoon" and "Fans of The Sims"

I didn't even want to antagonize anyone in this thread.