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[Adragis]

I barely ever put things underground. Most of the time I stay very close to the surface for several years, and then strike out for the caverns suddenly.

[Loud Whispers]

I've never been attacked by goblins.

Island/mountain embark or weird DF2014 peace?

[FallacyofUrist]

Area with mountains, but also forest- well... no mountains in my current embark.

I've never smelted metal. I've never seen a forgotten beast.

[Loud Whispers]

Area with mountains, but also forest- well... no mountains in my current embark.

I've never smelted metal. I've never seen a forgotten beast.

Before you embark, check which civilizations can access you with the tab key. Or, while you are embarked, check with (c)ivilizations screen. Don't see a goblin civ, you won't be getting goblins. Note well that embarking on a mountain or island does not disqualify you from receiving goblin guests, only if the mountain or the island is physically disconnected from any outside goblin civilizations. And this isn't on the scale of your Fortress map, this is on the scale of the hueg world! If your little 4x4 Fort is within a massive mountain range, chances are only your native Dorf civ will be able to reach you.

[Button]

The civilizations screen after embark shows the civs you've met so far, not all the civs you'll ever meet.

[Loud Whispers]

The civilizations screen after embark shows the civs you've met so far, not all the civs you'll ever meet.

Oh yeah, completely forgot about that. Chances are though if you're years in and no goblins, no goblins forever

[Molly Renata]

Couple of admissions to make here.

-I play with invaders (and usually artifacts) off.
-I play older versions almost exclusively (I've tried to get into DF2012 but just can't, I'm waiting until DF2014 gets all its kinks worked out before I try it).
-I almost always use mods of some sort. (Most commonly, I take aquifers out of everything.) More often than not, the mods I play don't even have dwarves in them.
-I build almost exclusively aboveground.
-I like elves.

[Loud Whispers]

-I like elves.

I love flooding the elves with rope reed cloth and even I find this is too much

[Molly Renata]

-I like elves.

I love flooding the elves with rope reed cloth and even I find this is too much

It's a shameful admission for a reason.

[Arcvasti]

-I like elves.

I love flooding the elves with rope reed cloth and even I find this is too much

I never understood why people disliked elves. They give me cloth and wood, two things that I find it tedious to make myself in large quantities. Plus cool animals.

[NW_Kohaku]

I never understood why people disliked elves. They give me cloth and wood, two things that I find it tedious to make myself in large quantities. Plus cool animals.

They used to give you seeds.  Now, they have even less excuse to live!

I don't know why you'd find cloth hard to make, though, as pig tails are easy. 

In general, there are two main reasons why players hate elves:

• Practical:
  
  • Elves will declare they hate you and refuse dealing with you if you offer a single thing with any amount of wood or wood-relation to them, including something that is decorated with clear glass, or a prepared food that happens to be in a wood barrel.  Laboriously manually setting up a trade for 15 minutes just to have a "gotcha" ruin it all makes many a player slam the "deconstruct Depot" to steal everything and then murder the elves for their impudence a natural reaction.
  • In previous versions, especially, the low trade limit of elves meant that the more they liked you, the more they ONLY traded generally useless cloth due to nothing else fitting on their camel's backs.  If you murdered some elves and stole their stuff every once and a while, they would "punish you" by trying to bring less, which usually meant more of the rare animals players actually want.
• Conceptual: Elves are paragons of "nature" and an almost anarchic lack of social order/"chaos" in the terms of fantasy, and to an extent in this game that they basically represent "the filthy hippies that hate all technology".  Dwarves, by contrast, represent an affinity for technology, progress, and social order, and "law" in the terms of standard fantasy.  Since this game celebrates all things related to technology and progress and technology, it makes elves the natural antithesis of everything Dwarfy and Good.

[angelious]

I never understood why people disliked elves. They give me cloth and wood, two things that I find it tedious to make myself in large quantities. Plus cool animals.

They used to give you seeds.  Now, they have even less excuse to live!

I don't know why you'd find cloth hard to make, though, as pig tails are easy. 

In general, there are two main reasons why players hate elves:

• Practical:
  
  • Elves will declare they hate you and refuse dealing with you if you offer a single thing with any amount of wood or wood-relation to them, including something that is decorated with clear glass, or a prepared food that happens to be in a wood barrel.  Laboriously manually setting up a trade for 15 minutes just to have a "gotcha" ruin it all makes many a player slam the "deconstruct Depot" to steal everything and then murder the elves for their impudence a natural reaction.
  • In previous versions, especially, the low trade limit of elves meant that the more they liked you, the more they ONLY traded generally useless cloth due to nothing else fitting on their camel's backs.  If you murdered some elves and stole their stuff every once and a while, they would "punish you" by trying to bring less, which usually meant more of the rare animals players actually want.
• Conceptual: Elves are paragons of "nature" and an almost anarchic lack of social order/"chaos" in the terms of fantasy, and to an extent in this game that they basically represent "the filthy hippies that hate all technology".  Dwarves, by contrast, represent an affinity for technology, progress, and social order, and "law" in the terms of standard fantasy.  Since this game celebrates all things related to technology and progress and technology, it makes elves the natural antithesis of everything Dwarfy and Good.

also should be noted elfs are cannibals,make a lot of shitty dorf jokes, are the complete opposite of dwarven civilization, and then there is the age old dwarves versus elves set up that has like 10 or so tropes namened after it in tropes wikia and has been a stable part of fantasy franchise since the dawn of tolkiens.






also they are dirty little fuckwits they are...but they still bring better trading stuff than humans do most of the time...

[Loud Whispers]

There is no greater pleasure than to see the elves arrive with all that cloth, only to see the look of horror on their faces as you buy their alcohol with your cloth

[crazedwarf]

My favorite dwarf ever was a female named Urist who gave birth while drinking from a barrel of whiskey. I'd marry that sweet girl if I could.

[NW_Kohaku]

My favorite dwarf ever was a female named Urist who gave birth while drinking from a barrel of whiskey. I'd marry that sweet girl if I could.

Shamefulness where?

Although my personal favorite birth story was that of a war dog charging a goblin, giving birth while wrestling with said goblin, and then having the puppies immediately help attack. 

I have a pretty good breeding program, if I do say so, myself.