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[Aseaheru]

Remember, we also need shit for mountain troops.

I vote that we make both the Warbler and the RFR. I also think we should make some of the helicopter designs.

Anyways, UR, what say you for the trait votes?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Otherwise, everything we're designing is pointless, since it can't get to the battlefield.

GM said that our forces are fully motorized and mechanized without listing truck designs

Some stuff must be abstracted

[Playergamer]

I know that trucks are abstracted, but I'd assume transport planes aren't, and anyway, this is specifically designed to carry paratroopers.

[Aseaheru]

Transport aircraft are abstracted. To quote the GM, they are variants of existing heavy/medium bombers. I dont know if gliders are abstracted though, or air-deplorable things are.

[Playergamer]

Ah. Okay. I still think a purpose-built transport is better than a converted bomber.

[10ebbor10]

Early jets had a problem called - "low range" That makes them bad escorts

Yeah, but our jet engine is a bit more advanced than early designs.. Our engines produce 23 kN each, and apparently only use half a kg of fuel per hour. (I think there's a unit error there.) I presume that's supposed to read 0.5kg / (Lbf*hour). In which case our engines would be about 10% more fuel efficient than RL designs of the period. Not enough to easily make a functional escort fighter, I suppose.

Anyway, my proposals :

3.1 Seagull Flying Bomb :

Changes compared to the original proposal are the implementation of Inertial flight guidance, and only using semi-active radar guidance for the terminal approach. In addition, warhead size is increased.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Propulsion : Pulsejet optimized for very low cost
Navigation: Inertial. Terminal navigation by Semi-active radar guidance (This ensures that the enemy doesn't know they're being targetted untill the craft is on final approach)
Warhead : 500 kg
Range: 20-40 km

6.  Condor Medium Jet Bomber

A high altitude Jet bomber, propelled by two of our Jet engines. 2000 km range. No defensive armaments, and only 2 crew members. Internal bomb storage for up to 3000 kg of bombs. High speed and flight altitude should make it near invulnerable.


Summary and stuff : (Using spoilers, because the Code format is often annoying)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Proposal One: SMG, Light MK1 - 'Warbler'
Natural 10 Success; choose one of the following:
Extreme ruggedness
Simple maintenance (Two Votes)
Easy reload
Fantastic sights
Stable (one vote)

The Majestic Mk1 Turbojet Engine:
Critical success roll of 12. Choose two of the following:
Highly efficient - Low fuel consumption (Two votes)
Easy Construction - Fast construction
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Two votes)
Lightweight - 150kg is removed from the weight through the use of the latest alloys from our nations metalworks. (One vote)
Armoured - Resistant to enemy fire, adds 280kg to weight. (One vote)

Proposal Four: RFR, the Rapid Fire Rifle.
Critical success roll of 12. Choose two of the following:
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Two votes)
Extreme ruggedness - Virtually no failures or jams, even in extreme conditions. (one vote)
Simple maintenance - Easy to put together and take apart, and therefore easy to clean and repair. (one vote)
Easy reload - Smooth reloading action reduces reload times, meaning high rates of fire.
Fantastic sights - Clear, sealed optics and well made iron sights means high situational awareness and high accuracy. (Two votes)

Keep Only Bullpup (One vote)
Keep Only standard design (one vote)
Keep both, bullpup specialist (One vote)
Keep both, standard design specialist

Pelican Light Naval Helicopter
Critical Success roll of 11. Choose two of the following:
Highly efficient - Low fuel consumption
Easy Construction - Fast construction (One vote)
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Three votes)
Lightweight - 150kg is removed from the weight through the use of the latest alloys from our nations metalworks. (one vote)
Armoured - Resistant to enemy fire, adds 280kg to weight. (one vote)

Kevlar Armor
Roll 10, success. Please choose one of the following:
Sturdy Plate Carrier: Less chance of armour failure.
High Tension Composites: Ceramics in the composite plates are kept under higher tension than normal, improving longevity and armour protection
Lightweight Composites: Reduces weight of armour by 1 quarter, enabling the use of the 'Heavy Crusader' armour in the field on offensive operations for shock troops and heavy weapons teams. (Three votes)

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1. Two-engined transport plane. Make sure it can carry paratroopers, along with supplies. Make the engines quiet, and make it able to carry 2 sections of paratroopers. Make the range at least 2000 miles.

2: Design a jet fighter to escort our bombers, and intercept enemies. It should be able to escort our bombers all the way into enemy territory, and back.

3. A pulse jet powered, semi-active radar using missile armed with a 250KG warhead. Should be able to be fired from towable trailers(Dont want to make the mistake of the V1)

4. Solid fuel rocket system, capible of being fired from aircraft, vehicles, trailers, and/or ships. Minimum of 15kg warhead and 5km range(non aircraft varients only)

5. A small, powerful, air-droppible jeap, for use by pairatroopers or mountan troops. should be able to carry four passengers, or to tow 1 ton. Main focus should be weight

Spoiler: Production (click to show/hide)

A. Produce Warblers, SAEs, Lightweight Frag Grenades, and Light Crusader armor.

[tryrar]

My votes for traits:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Warbler:simple maintenance

Majestic Mk1 Turbojet:Efficient and tough

RFR:Tough and fantastic sights. Also, vote to keep both, with bullpup for specialist forces like paratroopers

Pelican helicopter:Tough and lightweight

Crusader armor:lightweight composites

As for the Goshawk jet fighter, I think while range is important, we need more than just range. To that end, I suggest we experiment with one and two-engined designs, as well as straight and swept wings(wings should be swept back at a 20 degree cant). It should carry at least two of our existing 20mm rapid fire cannons with 500 round drum magazines(4 would be ideal) and additional 4 .50 cal machine guns wing mounted, as well as a couple hardpoints for rockets, a couple bombs, or drop tanks for extending range.

I vote for 1-5(with voting for ebbor's mod for the seagull, as well as my mod for the Goshawk )


We should also see about getting a lightweight machine gun for paratrooper usage, able to be carried by one to two men easily and have a high rate of fire.

6:Raven LMG. Lightweight machine gun that is served by one to two troopers. It should have a fire rate of around 800-1000 rpm with belt feed, be fairly reliable, and be easily transportable.

Using these new composites, we should be able to make a larger infantry mortar that's about the same weight as our current 50mms, perfect for clearing off hilltops and dugouts on the mountains

7:Modernize our infantry mortars. Sue the new composites where possible to save weight, and switch to fin-stabilized projectiles to increase range and accuracy.

Finally, a fun project. Lets see if we can make gas operated and/or electric drive miniguns! Not only can we apply this to actual cannons, if we mount this to our pelicans we can easily sell them to the army as a general lift helicopter with a big punch against infantry.

8:Jackhammer Rotary Machine Gun. It should be either electrically powered or simple gas operated, be able to sustain fire rates of 2000rpm, and be fairly reliable and non-breakdown prone.

[Aseaheru]

Miniguns, even microguns, are rather heavy. Mostly in their ammo weight.

However, giving it a LMG might be useful. Making a medevac variant would be nice aswell.

Spoiler: Trait Votes, compiled to include Tryrar (click to show/hide)

Proposal One: SMG, Light MK1 - 'Warbler'
Natural 10 Success; choose one of the following:
Extreme ruggedness
Simple maintenance (three Votes)
Easy reload
Fantastic sights
Stable (one vote)

The Majestic Mk1 Turbojet Engine:
Critical success roll of 12. Choose two of the following:
Highly efficient - Low fuel consumption (Three votes)
Easy Construction - Fast construction
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Three votes)
Lightweight - 150kg is removed from the weight through the use of the latest alloys from our nations metalworks. (One vote)
Armoured - Resistant to enemy fire, adds 280kg to weight. (One vote)

Proposal Four: RFR, the Rapid Fire Rifle.
Critical success roll of 12. Choose two of the following:
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Three votes)
Extreme ruggedness - Virtually no failures or jams, even in extreme conditions. (one vote)
Simple maintenance - Easy to put together and take apart, and therefore easy to clean and repair. (one vote)
Easy reload - Smooth reloading action reduces reload times, meaning high rates of fire.
Fantastic sights - Clear, sealed optics and well made iron sights means high situational awareness and high accuracy. (Three votes)

Keep Only Bullpup
Keep Only standard design (one vote)
Keep both, bullpup specialist (Three vote)
Keep both, standard design specialist

Pelican Light Naval Helicopter
Critical Success roll of 11. Choose two of the following:
Highly efficient - Low fuel consumption
Easy Construction - Fast construction (One vote)
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Four votes)
Lightweight - 150kg is removed from the weight through the use of the latest alloys from our nations metalworks. (Two vote)
Armoured - Resistant to enemy fire, adds 280kg to weight. (one vote)

Kevlar Armor
Roll 10, success. Please choose one of the following:
Sturdy Plate Carrier: Less chance of armour failure.
High Tension Composites: Ceramics in the composite plates are kept under higher tension than normal, improving longevity and armour protection
Lightweight Composites: Reduces weight of armour by 1 quarter, enabling the use of the 'Heavy Crusader' armour in the field on offensive operations for shock troops and heavy weapons teams. (Four votes)

Note, I changed my vote on the RFR for what one to keep.

[tryrar]

I know that, I was thinking of making a better vehicle mount weapon with a minigun. Like I said, think of one or two attached to our helicopters and planes

Edit:Almost forgot production orders!

B:Produce prototypes of everything we don't have prototypes of already for demonstration

C:Invite army and airforce representatives and demonstrate the Pelican to them, with an eye of producing army and airforce versions for them.

D:Inquire to our science friends on applications for nuclear power for things like army installations, ships, and the like.

[Aseaheru]

I think we should wait to show the Goshawk until we have the goshawk.

[tryrar]

Come again?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

7:Petard 81mm mortar. Using composites and other weight savings, make a larger man-portable infantry mortar. It should consist of simply a short tube attached to a plate and a bipod, with the propellent charge in the base of the round. The shell should be fin-stabilized for better accuracy and range. Use the same techniques to also improve our 50mms

Please fix it to 82mm. Making all our ammunition obsolete just for 1mm is wrong And please, bold proposals, it is easy to miss otherwise

I still think that long range jet fighter is a silly idea that goes against characteristics of early jet engines

Spoiler: my trait votes (click to show/hide)

Warbler:simple maintenance

Majestic Mk1 Turbojet:Efficient and tough

RFR:Tough and fantastic sights. Also, vote to keep both, with bullpup for specialist forces like paratroopers

Pelican helicopter:Tough and lightweight

Crusader armor:lightweight composites
Yeah, I agree with Tryrar

I vote for 3,4,6 B, C

I'd love to vote for 7 but prefer simpler

9. Design an expensive, highly efficient specialist 50mm mortar made from light composite materials. Should use standard 50mm ammo

10. Design a CAS jet aircraft named "Stinger". Armed with a 40mm gun, 2 50 cal machineguns, and light rocket\bomb pods it is designed to attack armored targets, light ships and heavy

E. Request a dedicated helicopter producing facility.

F. Name our first helicopter "Mule", suggest to use it as a transport and fire support for mountaineers and other specialists

G. Contact  ROF Vinshire and ROF Burlshire to propose a joint project of developing a helicopter carrier.

[Aseaheru]

The Goshawk does not exist yet, me may want to get one before we decide to show it off. It may turn out to be another sniper rifle.

Also, why cant people add their trait votes to the list?[/grouse]

Spoiler: Trait votes (click to show/hide)

Proposal One: SMG, Light MK1 - 'Warbler'
Natural 10 Success; choose one of the following:
Extreme ruggedness
Simple maintenance (Four Votes)
Easy reload
Fantastic sights
Stable (one vote)

The Majestic Mk1 Turbojet Engine:
Critical success roll of 12. Choose two of the following:
Highly efficient - Low fuel consumption (Four votes)
Easy Construction - Fast construction
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Four votes)
Lightweight - 150kg is removed from the weight through the use of the latest alloys from our nations metalworks. (One vote)
Armoured - Resistant to enemy fire, adds 280kg to weight. (One vote)

Proposal Four: RFR, the Rapid Fire Rifle.
Critical success roll of 12. Choose two of the following:
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Four votes)
Extreme ruggedness - Virtually no failures or jams, even in extreme conditions. (one vote)
Simple maintenance - Easy to put together and take apart, and therefore easy to clean and repair. (one vote)
Easy reload - Smooth reloading action reduces reload times, meaning high rates of fire.
Fantastic sights - Clear, sealed optics and well made iron sights means high situational awareness and high accuracy. (Four votes)

Keep Only Bullpup
Keep Only standard design (one vote)
Keep both, bullpup specialist (Four votes)
Keep both, standard design specialist

Pelican Light Naval Helicopter
Critical Success roll of 11. Choose two of the following:
Highly efficient - Low fuel consumption
Easy Construction - Fast construction (One vote)
Tough - Highly durable and hard wearing, reduced maintenance needs (Five votes)
Lightweight - 150kg is removed from the weight through the use of the latest alloys from our nations metalworks. (Three votes)
Armoured - Resistant to enemy fire, adds 280kg to weight. (one vote)

Kevlar Armor
Roll 10, success. Please choose one of the following:
Sturdy Plate Carrier: Less chance of armour failure.
High Tension Composites: Ceramics in the composite plates are kept under higher tension than normal, improving longevity and armour protection
Lightweight Composites: Reduces weight of armour by 1 quarter, enabling the use of the 'Heavy Crusader' armour in the field on offensive operations for shock troops and heavy weapons teams. (Five votes)

I think we have enough designs, atleast in my view, so I am going to compile those too.

Spoiler: Design Proposials, currently sans votes (click to show/hide)

1. Two-engined transport plane. Make sure it can carry paratroopers, along with supplies. Make the engines quiet, and make it able to carry 2 sections of paratroopers. Make the range at least 2000 miles.

2: Design a jet fighter to escort our bombers, and intercept enemies. It should be able to escort our bombers all the way into enemy territory, and back. Armed with minimum 2 30mm cannon
 2.1 Armed with minimum 2 20mm, +4 .50cal, with hardpoints for underwing armaments

3. A pulse jet powered, semi-active radar using missile armed with a 250KG warhead. Should be able to be fired from towable trailers(Dont want to make the mistake of the V1)
 3.1 500kg warhead

4. Solid fuel rocket system, capible of being fired from aircraft, vehicles, trailers, and/or ships. Minimum of 15kg warhead and 5km range(non aircraft varients only)

5. A small, powerful, air-droppible jeep, for use by pairatroopers or mountan troops. should be able to carry four passengers, or to tow 1 ton. Main focus should be weight

6. Condor medium jet bomber; twin engined 2000KM range 2 crew 3000KG internal bomb storage designed for fast, high altitude flight

7. Raven LMG; belt fed and 800-1000 RPM. light, reliable.

8. Petard 82mm mortar

9. Jackhammer microgun

10. Design an expensive, highly efficient specialist 50mm mortar made from light composite materials. Should use standard 50mm ammo

11. Design a CAS jet aircraft named "Stinger". Armed with a 40mm gun, 2 50 cal machineguns, and light rocket\bomb pods it is designed to attack armored targets, light ships and heavy

Someone missed a design earlier~

-edit to address below-

Pelican, sorry. Read that section wrong. Going to edit in votes in a second, while assuming that everyone voted for what they suggested.

-Second edit-

Here come the votes, all of the votes. Except for production. Someone else can do those.

Spoiler: Votes, as I can tell them. (click to show/hide)

2000mile range transport
 powergamer, tryrar
Goshawk
 Asea(I dont think those hardpoints are good, nor the 20mm cannons enough. .50 cals will be nearly useless)
Goshawk with smaller cannon and MGs. Also extra guff.
 Tryrar
Basic Seagull
 UR
Bigger payload seagull
 Asea, Ebbor, tryrar
Multi-purpose soled fuel rockets
 Asea, tryrar, UR
Jeep for paratroopers
 Asea, tryrar
Condor
 Ebbor, UR, Asea
Raven LMG
 tryrar, Asea
82mm Mortar
 tryrar
Jackhammer bullet spammer
 tryrar
50mm mortar
 UR
CAS Stinger (Also see Tryrar's Goshawk)
 UR, Asea

As for why I voted against the second Goshawk idea, I dont think 20mm cannons will be enough, .50 cals are nearly useless against aircraft unless you get lucky, and toomuch shit under its wings will make it useless as a escort. However, I still like the idea of a CAS varient of the Goshawk, which is basicly what the Stinger proposial is. I think.

[tryrar]

Whoops! I'll fix that to a simple blanket modernization of all our infantry mortars to take advantage of new composites to save weight.

Edit:When did I say to show off the Goshawk?

[kahn1234]

((Just a little reminder, you can resubmit previous ideas that didnt get enough votes in the previous round to try and get enough votes a second time around and therefore get them passed .))

((Also, just confirming, you want the Bullpup rifle to be specialist use, and the standard config rifle to be the mainline infantry weapon? Just double checking.))