Apr 07 18:27:11 <Piecewise> oh no hello
Apr 07 18:27:26 <Swordsmith04> Hello piecewise.
Apr 07 18:27:30 <Piecewise> Hey, who our wiki gnomes?
Apr 07 18:27:44 <Swordsmith04> Aoshima, me, and Kriellya, RC, etc.
Apr 07 18:28:09 <Swordsmith04> Paris did the templates, too.
Apr 07 18:28:21 <Piecewise> Hmm Hmm Hmm
Apr 07 18:28:48 <Piecewise> I need to get you guys rounded up into the ARM Archive Corps
Apr 07 18:29:03 <Piecewise> Give you guys some cash
Apr 07 18:29:26 <Swordsmith04> That's kind of you.
(Does that give us extra IC knowledge?)
Apr 07 18:29:47 <CaellathII> I've been working a bit on it as of recently as well.
Apr 07 18:29:53 <Swordsmith04> Like, would I know that that newbie walking around without a weapon actually has an amp, or whatever.
Apr 07 18:29:56 <CaellathII> Not a gnome, though.
Apr 07 18:30:04 <CaellathII> I do believe Kri is a whisper gnome.
Apr 07 18:30:20 <Kriellya> 'whisper' gnome? XD
Apr 07 18:30:43 <CaellathII>
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040807a&page=3Apr 07 18:30:45 <Piecewise> I may have to start just offering money for specific jobs
Apr 07 18:31:33 <CaellathII> The gnomes should start saying what they do, at least.
Apr 07 18:31:33 <Piecewise> Hmm anybody want 2 tokens?
Apr 07 18:31:42 <Swordsmith04> What do you need?
Apr 07 18:31:52 <Kriellya> The gnomes just kind of do things, depending on how the gnomes are feeling this week
Apr 07 18:32:08 <Kriellya> And what Sword said, what do you need?
Apr 07 18:32:15 <CaellathII> But it's hard to reward the gnomes if they don't list what they do.
Apr 07 18:32:22 <CaellathII> Frickin' gnomes.
Apr 07 18:32:32 <Swordsmith04>
http://einsteinianroulette.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivityApr 07 18:32:40 <CaellathII> I'll use you as munition for catapults.
Apr 07 18:32:52 <Kriellya> yeah, you can 'observe' us, so to speak. All of the common gnomes have accounts with Wikia
Apr 07 18:32:54 <Piecewise> I need a list of characters going on the big mission. Preferably just little sections for each with player name, character name, any bonuses or negatives they have, and their gear. A quick look sheet for me when I'm doing the turn
Apr 07 18:33:07 <CaellathII> Oh, Kri
Apr 07 18:33:12 <Swordsmith04> Like the old Idiots in Space file?
Apr 07 18:33:19 <Piecewise> Maybe
Apr 07 18:33:36 <Piecewise> Or really I suppose I could just build a page with links to all their pages
Apr 07 18:33:52 <Kriellya> we have a page with that already, I believe
Apr 07 18:34:04 <Kriellya> The mission page usually has the players at the top of it
Apr 07 18:34:06 <Swordsmith04> The page for the mission has links to character pages alreayd, yeah.
Apr 07 18:34:29 <Swordsmith04>
http://einsteinianroulette.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_20Apr 07 18:34:57 <Piecewise> Okie dokie
Apr 07 18:35:14 <Kriellya> hmm... I may need to update the character page template to move the stats to the top
Apr 07 18:35:38 <Swordsmith04> Mechanical stuff at the top, fluff at the bottom?
Apr 07 18:35:43 <Piecewise> Is there a way to see the stuff people have done?
Apr 07 18:35:50 <Piecewise> Like to see who has made articles?
Apr 07 18:36:04 <Kriellya> yeah, the 'activity' link Sword put in earlier
Apr 07 18:36:16 <Piecewise> That shows only recent activity doesn't it?
Apr 07 18:36:18 <Swordsmith04> Next to the Edit button is an arrow. Every page has a History section, there.
Apr 07 18:36:22 <Kriellya> ^
Apr 07 18:36:28 <Piecewise> Hmm
Apr 07 18:36:30 <Kriellya> That's if you want the history for a particular page
Apr 07 18:36:45 <Kriellya> Anyone not registered will show up as 'wikia user'
Apr 07 18:37:17 <Kriellya> (with IP, if you want to go through that sort of effort to distinguish them. I doubt it
)
Apr 07 18:37:59 <Swordsmith04> If you meant seeing the contribution history of individual accounts, there's that, too.
Apr 07 18:38:07 <Swordsmith04>
http://einsteinianroulette.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Swordsmith04Apr 07 18:38:10 <Swordsmith04> Mine, for instance.
Apr 07 18:38:50 <Piecewise> So how should we work out a fair payment system for this do you think?
Apr 07 18:38:57 <Piecewise> One that can't be abused for pay
Apr 07 18:39:01 <Kriellya> uhhh
Apr 07 18:39:07 <Piecewise> such as edit numbers
Apr 07 18:39:13 <CaellathII> I want to make a page for the mechanist gauntlet but it isn't a Nyarstifact and doesn't count as an Armory item. Hmm. I think I'll just create a separate header for it in Milno's page.
Apr 07 18:39:37 <Kriellya> (heh, yeah, my edit numbers trend higher, as I tend to use edits kind of like I use git-commits. Which is excessively often)
Apr 07 18:40:01 <Kriellya> (This is why I often dominate the 'recent activity' page, all with edits on one page XD)
Apr 07 18:40:02 <Swordsmith04> You could give a token for every X meaningful edits, though we'd pretty much self-police for "meaningful".
Apr 07 18:40:03 <renegade> Token for x amount done, verified by another wiki gnome?
Apr 07 18:40:12 <CaellathII> Hey, I'm a nice enough guy to let the newbies have shots at tokens (armory pages, mission-stuff writing) but they don't want to get monies.
Apr 07 18:40:17 <Piecewise> I want to give people on the ship an actual useful way to make cash.
Apr 07 18:40:30 <Kriellya> hmm...
Apr 07 18:40:59 <CaellathII> Maybe gnomes could try a shot at original content instead of update-racing.
Apr 07 18:41:08 <Piecewise> heh
Apr 07 18:41:47 <Piecewise> So it's sword, Aoshi, Kri, RC, Cael a bit,
Apr 07 18:41:50 <Kriellya> yeah, the 'update race' is really hard to 'pay' for, unless you want to pay someone specifically to do just that
Apr 07 18:41:51 <Piecewise> anyone else?
Apr 07 18:42:11 <Kriellya> Uhhh.... Paris does work with the templates. I'm pretty sure he's the only one who fully understands them
Apr 07 18:42:12 <Swordsmith04> Paris did the wiki templates, but doesn't update so much.
Apr 07 18:42:26 <Kriellya> But they make the nice pretty stats sheets we have on the character pages
Apr 07 18:42:28 <Piecewise> Hmm. alright
Apr 07 18:42:52 <Piecewise> He'll get a flat payment, with bonuses if he ever does updates
Apr 07 18:43:14 <Piecewise> The rest of you...who among you do you think does the most work on the wiki?
Apr 07 18:43:40 <Swordsmith04> Aoshima does a lot of the edits. I usually get the ones he doesn't, or rarely I beat him to it.
Apr 07 18:43:41 <Kriellya> Sword or Aoshi, on an average day.
Apr 07 18:44:03 <Kriellya> I usually do burst cleanup efforts, as my ability to spend time on the wiki depends on my external workflow
Apr 07 18:45:07 <CaellathII> I'm also doing burst stuff as of recently, and a bit way back then.
Apr 07 18:45:21 <CaellathII> Like adding several non-standard items to the Armory back in the day.
Apr 07 18:45:58 <Piecewise> hmm
Apr 07 18:46:01 <CaellathII> Aoshima and Sword seem to be the gnomiest gnomes.
Apr 07 18:46:11 <CaellathII> Kri probably ranks third.
Apr 07 18:46:37 <Piecewise> Would Sword or Aoshi be willing to act as unoffical overseer for our gnomes? Just someone to keep me updated about any changes or work if I should ask?
Apr 07 18:46:58 <CaellathII> Kri also helped with templates math before, I think.
Apr 07 18:47:24 <Kriellya> I've worked with the templates. Paris understands them way better than I do, but I'd be 2nd choice to fix them if they broke
Apr 07 18:47:30 <Swordsmith04> Yeah. What sort of changes would you want to be told about? Anything that isn't from a [wiki] tag in a turn, basically?
Apr 07 18:47:57 <Piecewise> Basically, if I ask "What has everyone done?" just a summary
Apr 07 18:48:08 <Piecewise> so I can dish out pay
Apr 07 18:48:20 <Swordsmith04> Oh, sure. I already sort of track that, anyway.
Apr 07 18:48:29 <Swordsmith04> Just a difference of actually keeping a list, now.
Apr 07 18:48:45 <Piecewise> Alrighty, if you wouldn't mind
Apr 07 18:49:10 <CaellathII> I wish I didn't forget so much.
Apr 07 18:49:25 <CaellathII> Piecewise, do you recall the slew of programs I had done for Milno's MkIII?
Apr 07 18:49:55 <CaellathII> I had forgotten the autododge, anti-collision and lock-join ones.
Apr 07 18:50:04 <CaellathII> The only one I had fresh in my mind was the dash one.
Apr 07 18:50:36 <Piecewise> I'm gonna create a thread in the forum for you guys, for various Wiki related stuff. Good place to send newbies looking to make a token with some grunt record keeping work.
Apr 07 18:50:49 <Piecewise> Nah cael
Apr 07 18:50:51 <Piecewise> not a clue
Apr 07 18:52:13 <CaellathII> Ah-ha, I fixed the Auxiliary Tools Contents table.
Apr 07 18:52:25 <CaellathII> It wasn't working properly because it wasn't using sub-headings.
Apr 07 18:52:34 <Kriellya> heh. That happens sometimes XD
Apr 07 18:52:57 <Kriellya> I try and use them whenever appropriate. Sometimes I don't like what they do to the contents table :/
Apr 07 18:53:38 <Kriellya> Hey Sword, do you know if we have a new character template somewhere?
Apr 07 18:54:29 <Swordsmith04> *new* character template? Not that I know of.
Apr 07 18:55:53 <Piecewise> Hmm how much do you think Paris should be paid for the template work?
Apr 07 18:56:45 <CaellathII> If gnome work will be paid, it's a good time to start gnoming.
Apr 07 18:57:18 <Swordsmith04> Hmm. 4 tokens?
Apr 07 18:57:21 <CaellathII> Piecewise: how will Milno's old bonuses work?
Apr 07 18:57:33 <Piecewise> what ones?
Apr 07 18:57:59 <CaellathII> Non stat-related, like: "(+1 to Handiwork related to suits.) (Bonus: +1 to rolls when modifying or repairing weapons)".
Apr 07 18:58:01 <Kriellya> (I hate that wikia makes me overload the word 'template' a lot XD)
Apr 07 18:58:12 <Piecewise> eh
Apr 07 18:58:15 <Kriellya> Not really a wikiw tempalte, Sword. Just a blank 'new character' page?
Apr 07 18:58:57 <Swordsmith04> I usually open a blank page and write it up from scratch.
Apr 07 18:59:07 <CaellathII> Make it stay the same and count the appropriate skill as one tier higher?
Apr 07 18:59:16 <Kriellya> I usually copy another character page, for consistency
Apr 07 19:00:01 <Swordsmith04> I've got the order of headings and sub-headings memorized.
Apr 07 19:00:07 <CaellathII> A veteran's stats are a thing of beauty, crikey.
Apr 07 19:00:12 <CaellathII> Lots of points everywhere.
Apr 07 19:01:26 <CaellathII> And we need to talk to piecewise about ARM selling those plushies and action figures.
Apr 07 19:04:13 <Piecewise> A little milno with different arms?
Apr 07 19:05:52 <renegade> Interchangeable? And a little armburger?
Apr 07 19:06:47 <CaellathII> No, Milno doesn't exist.
Apr 07 19:07:05 <CaellathII> D'usse for the space otakus an Lyra for the space furries.
Apr 07 19:07:09 <CaellathII> and*
Apr 07 19:09:36 <Piecewise> I think the lyra one will only work if it has a....input slot
Apr 07 19:09:49 <Piecewise> Them space furries bro
Apr 07 19:11:17 <CaellathII> I suppose the D'usse one only needs striped pantsu.
Apr 07 19:11:28 <Piecewise> Pantsu
Apr 07 19:11:33 <CaellathII> Yes.
Apr 07 19:11:35 <CaellathII> Pantsu.
Apr 07 19:11:49 <CaellathII> Is that how they call it? I think it is.
Apr 07 19:12:06 <Piecewise> yes
Apr 07 19:12:10 <Piecewise> cael you silly
Apr 07 19:14:34 <CaellathII> Piecewise, how about my bonuses' question?
Apr 07 19:15:34 <Variety> Cael is the silliest
Apr 07 19:15:43 <Variety> second only to CaeII
Apr 07 19:16:38 <Piecewise> Dunno cael
Apr 07 19:17:00 <CaellathII> I was a jousting knight back in ye olden times.
Apr 07 19:17:01 <Piecewise> Could you just bring them up whenever something would be effected by them?
Apr 07 19:17:09 <Piecewise> since they're pretty situational
Apr 07 19:17:12 <CaellathII> Badly oversillying people with my helm.
Apr 07 19:17:51 <CaellathII> @piecewise: Sure, I'll do that.
Apr 07 19:18:11 <CaellathII> I cherish those bonuses with a measure of nostalgia.
Apr 07 19:18:26 <CaellathII> And they may be more useful now, even.
Apr 07 19:19:10 <renegade> So, pw. Did I just buy 576 super battle stims for 10 tokens? Or do I need to start scraping together 8 more tokens so Milno doesn't "accidentally" separate Thaddeus' head from his neck?
Apr 07 19:19:52 <CaellathII> I hope those are actually useful.
Apr 07 19:19:59 <Piecewise> You bought potentially useful things
Apr 07 19:20:11 <CaellathII> How old is Thaddeus, again?
Apr 07 19:20:17 <Piecewise> Try stabbing one into your arm
Apr 07 19:21:39 <renegade> 24? I think?
Apr 07 19:22:16 <renegade> Will I survive long enough to go on the mission? And complete it?
Apr 07 19:23:25 <renegade> Yeah, 24. Why?
Apr 07 19:23:49 <CaellathII> Younger's probably better for armburgers.
Apr 07 19:24:16 <renegade> Ah. Right.
Apr 07 19:24:23 <CaellathII> They do look like battle stims and are certainly consumables.
Apr 07 19:24:38 <CaellathII> Well, not necessarily battle stims. Stims, or similar consumables.
Apr 07 19:25:03 <CaellathII> You should probably look for a newbie and ask if he wants to donate his body for science for free.
Apr 07 19:25:54 <Piecewise> So I'm giving Aoshi and Sword 10 tokens, Kri 7
Apr 07 19:26:00 <renegade> Ayup. Half tempted to stab one in and see what happens. The other half wants to find a newbie and ask him to test it. On the other side of the hangar. With Miya in between us.
Apr 07 19:26:06 <Piecewise> Cael 2
Apr 07 19:26:12 <Piecewise> anyone else? Sy?
Apr 07 19:26:34 <Swordsmith04> Yeah, Sy does all the updating for Heph.
Apr 07 19:26:37 <Swordsmith04> Also, whoa
Apr 07 19:27:02 <Kriellya> I suddenly have a lot of tokens to play with XD
Apr 07 19:27:21 <Piecewise> I'll pay sy the same as Kri
Apr 07 19:27:27 <Piecewise> Anyone else?
Apr 07 19:27:36 <Swordsmith04> Paris, for the templates.
Apr 07 19:27:47 <Piecewise> Yeah, got him
Apr 07 19:27:47 <Kriellya> I feel RC should get something for starting the whole thing, though you may have already rewarded him for that?
Apr 07 19:28:02 <Kriellya> Not that he needs more tokens XD
Apr 07 19:29:00 <CaellathII> Wow, tokens. I should give up on my job and work on the wiki all day.
Apr 07 19:29:30 <Kriellya> well, if we consider this back-pay... it's slightly more than 1 token per mission, for me XD
Apr 07 19:29:38 <Kriellya> if I remember when the wiki started correctly
Apr 07 19:30:22 <Swordsmith04> Wiki started some time around mission 12. I was playing, but new.
Apr 07 19:31:39 <Piecewise> RC has control over a lot of tokens and stuff already
Apr 07 19:31:40 <Piecewise> and lives
Apr 07 19:31:58 <Swordsmith04> Team Fund is basically Miya's bank account, anyway.
Apr 07 19:32:19 <Kriellya> yeah, I think it started just before the timeskip or the assault, to organize the increasingly complicated mission setup
Apr 07 19:32:27 <CaellathII> Yep.
Apr 07 19:33:02 <CaellathII> He's getting a bit overzealous since I was already helping set up Joker mission and he was trying to wrench it away from my dead hands.
Apr 07 19:37:56 <Kriellya> eh?
Apr 07 19:38:21 <CaellathII> Do I really get 2 tokens?
Apr 07 19:38:34 <CaellathII> I need to know so I can bury them (aka update my wiki sheet).
Apr 07 19:39:02 <Swordsmith04> Already done.
Apr 07 19:42:19 <CaellathII> Renegade is asking people to relinquish their body to him.
Apr 07 19:42:21 <CaellathII> Kinky.
Apr 07 19:43:04 <renegade> Heh. Only way to get good data...yeah.
Apr 07 19:44:18 <Piecewise> RELINGUISH YOUR BODY TO ME!
Apr 07 19:47:12 <renegade> FOR SCIENCE!
Apr 07 19:48:50 <CaellathII> I was also going to post my updated my sheet and a simple action in the on-ship thread to test my +3 mastery over Willpower.
Apr 07 19:49:11 <CaellathII> But Internet goofed and I missed the turn.
Apr 07 19:57:47 <CaellathII> Piecewise: how quickly can Milno's sharkmist consume that old metal club of Empyrea's?
Apr 07 20:00:10 <Piecewise> Pretty fast
Apr 07 20:00:14 <Piecewise> depending on your roll
Apr 07 20:01:26 <CaellathII> Since I've wasted a lot of time, I'll post a Tinker-like wall of text.
Apr 07 20:02:39 <CaellathII> Piecewise: does Joker team return as soon as their work is done or do they wait until the ground team finds the nerve cluster?
Apr 07 20:03:19 <CaellathII> Because if the actual mission part for Joker seems short aside from being very "make it or break it".
Apr 07 20:03:38 <Piecewise> We may want to leave one person on the ship, just in case
Apr 07 20:03:50 <Piecewise> but they can come back if they want
Apr 07 20:04:05 <Piecewise> up to you and ren
Apr 07 20:04:53 <CaellathII> If the team could return soon, I was considering booting Auron and replacing him with Milno since we seem to be low on good Uncon people and he wasn't exactly what I had in mind.
Apr 07 20:05:13 <CaellathII> On the other side, if he tries anything funny he's killed and that may save ARM some headaches in the future.
Apr 07 20:05:25 <CaellathII> Hm.
Apr 07 20:08:34 <Kriellya> Hm... how far away will the sword be? roughly speaking?
Apr 07 20:10:11 <Piecewise> Fairly close
Apr 07 20:10:19 <Piecewise> in terms of space
Apr 07 20:11:33 <renegade> Up to you. Good Uncon people are hard to find. My reasoning was that he would be to busy trying to not die to think about doing anything too stupid. And I was going to ask Steve if I could have a small view from everyone's cams on Thaddeus' HUD. So I can have immediate IC knowledge if someone happens to stray from the course.
Apr 07 20:14:46 <CaellathII> Yeah, then I think I'll stay out of the way anyway.
Apr 07 20:15:08 <CaellathII> It'd be good to go on a shorter mission for a change.
Apr 07 20:15:28 <Piecewise> Gotta learn to let other people do work for ya
Apr 07 20:15:32 <CaellathII> Oh, and you should probably leave if not all, at least half of the group on the ship.
Apr 07 20:16:10 <renegade> Oh yeah. I was thinking me, Pancaek and Remelle
Apr 07 20:28:41 <Piecewise> Welp
Apr 07 20:28:46 <Piecewise> Back to the Chalice dungeons
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