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How much do you like fanservice? (The kind your interested in)

I can't get enough
- 4 (5.2%)
If it is good, I can enjoy a little peak
- 29 (37.7%)
I could honestly care less
- 12 (15.6%)
I ignore it, but sometimes it is just distracting
- 16 (20.8%)
It is annoying, honestly stop!
- 16 (20.8%)

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Re: How much do you love fanservice? (Poll)
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2015, 03:38:17 am »

Well I am reminded of Meroko from Fullmoon Wo Sagashite

Where technically she is a bunny girl in a rather skimpy outfit.

yet something about the framing always made that outfit seem... rather fitting rather then "Sexy"
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« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2015, 03:38:42 am »

Notably, in the Conan stories themselves, he wore armor. Here are some descriptions of Conan from one novel:

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The nudity/loin cloths for the cover art came was the publishers idea. So it was effectively pure fanservice which has become so prevalent as to pollute the core media itself. Conan was a barbarian from a northern region. Nobody runs around nude in the snow, so it doesn't really make sense. We also never see other norse barbarians naked in the movies either: Conan is just presented as this singular dude who likes to run around nude, rather than it being a thing his culture does. There's some fridge logic involved here. It's just there because people came to expect it to be there due to the old cover art, and it's never really explained nor does it fit with the content of the books.
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Re: How much do you love fanservice? (Poll)
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2015, 04:25:35 am »

And many could care less. Implying that they do care. (Should be "could not care less").
Man, I was waiting for somebody to mention this.
Imo," I could care less" is the ultimate indifference: you are indifferent to the indifference itself.

E: Also why care about a common expression. There's so much that doesn't make any fucking sense in English and other languages. People don't think about the expressions they use, it's called speaking fluently.
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Re: How much do you love fanservice? (Poll)
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2015, 01:11:50 pm »

Hehe, this is a lot of fun ><


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Re: How much do you love fanservice? (Poll)
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2015, 03:28:21 pm »

it was effectively pure fanservice which has become so prevalent as to pollute the core media itself. Conan was a barbarian from a northern region. Nobody runs around nude in the snow, so it doesn't really make sense. We also never see other norse barbarians naked in the movies either: Conan is just presented as this singular dude who likes to run around nude, rather than it being a thing his culture does. There's some fridge logic involved here. It's just there because people came to expect it to be there due to the old cover art, and it's never really explained nor does it fit with the content of the books.

I haven't read the books, but I'm not sure that's a fair characterization of the first movie,at least. Yes, like you point out, nobody was running around nude in the snow. His people were shown wearing heavy furs with pretty much full body coverage, the women included and thesoldiers were wearing heavy armor and helmets. Running around naked was not part of the culture and it wasn't shown to be part of the culture. But he was then kidnapped and spent the first quarter the movie and most of his life as a slave pushing around a millstone and fighting in gladiator matches. Clothing was not something he had a lot of say in during that time.

When he finds the sword in the cave, killing some wolves and turning them into clothes is the first thing he does. For most of the rest of the movie he did wear clothes, he did wear armor, and he favored metal armor when he knew he was going into battle. But when he was a slave or scavenger he was shown as destitute, when we was crucified they took his clothes, and when walking for days between towns he routinely ditched the heavy armor to travel light.

Yes, in retrospect I'm sure showing him naked was on the director's mind however plausibly it was presented, and while looking for pictures I do notice that the second movie was handled less well than the first. For example, I'll grant you that let's talk to the princess in a loincloth didn't make sense even in context. But overall I think they were handled reasonably. Certainly when I watched them I don't remember ever thinking "ok, guys...stop it, this is dumb." And I have myself thinking that from time to time in other media.



She's just supposed to be relatable, and teenaged girls do not relate to hot. It's a female power fantasy,

Ok. Then maybe we need to differentiate between types of fan service. I think most of us came into this thread thinking gratuitous boobs, panty shots and bikini armor. Power fantasy isn't that. Again, Shampoo is immediately my first thought for designated "Miss Fanservice" from Ranma but she's generally portrayed conservatively, usually wearing full coverage clothing, high collar dresses and even in the obligatory beach episodes she pretty consistently favored wearing one piece bathing suits over bikinis.

Sure, she had her fetishy moments. But overall, what made her sexy was not panty and boob shots. That's not the kind of fan service she gave. With Shampoo it was more, "I am your crazy, and I'll fight anyone to the death to remain yours."

You mention female fantasy...well, that right there is a powerful male fantasy.

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Re: How much do you love fanservice? (Poll)
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2015, 06:14:34 pm »

Asuka was a big disappointment. She should have been fan service. She had so much potential tobe. But she just failed to deliver. I don't t remember her ever successfully being sexy.
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« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2015, 06:02:01 am »

I think it really depends on the context. Regardless, fanservice sells, always has, and always will, and complaining about it is as futile as complaining about the nature of human sexuality.
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« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2015, 06:56:01 am »

What is fan service?
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Re: How much do you love fanservice? (Poll)
« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2015, 08:00:23 am »

What is fan service?
Wrong context, Martinuzz (unless you're kidding).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service

Fanservice generally refers to added nudity / bikinis or sexy shots in general added to a work of media, presumably to bring in more viewers/readers.
This.

Personally, I really don't mind fanservice, as long as it doesn't distract from the main story.
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Re: How much do you love fanservice? (Poll)
« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2015, 08:16:57 am »

Here's my two cents on fanservice.

When it makes sense in context, I'll deal with it. For example, the amusing scen in SAO 2 where Sinom strips down to her underwear to get changed into her battle gear was fine.  I didn't like, though, when later the camera would pan in on her rear end randomly during conversation scenes: it's annoying, makes no sense, and wasn't where any if the characters were looking.

For the gender-flipped example of what I would just overlook if I were interested in males, the "Thor washes his upper body after a fight" scene made enough sense in context it doesn't bother me, even though it's only there for fanservice and no other purpose (and from hearing my female friends talk about that movie, apparently it was pretty major fanservice: I'll never understand them)

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Re: How much do you love fanservice? (Poll)
« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2015, 08:34:52 am »

I'm with everyone that says fanservice is ok as long as it fits with the general theme of the show or if it (at the very least) makes sense in context. One manga series that made really good usage of fanservice was family compo, a manga about a guy who loses his mother and goes to live with his aunt's family, who has a daughter who constantly switches genders and he spends the entirety of the manga trying to find out her true gender while also developing feelings for her, which causes him a lot of distress since he's constantly afraid that she may really be a guy.
In this situation, the fanservice was used as a way to convey to the reader the same tension and doubt that the protagonist was going through, and its done masterfuly, without ever going into porn territory. They do kinda abuse it on the covers, which might mislead some people into thinking its smut, when its really great and hilarious comedic romance.

In regards to bad usage of fanservice, Gainax often overdoes it so much that it became known for its forced fanservice. Sometimes they do it masterfuly and integrate it very well with the story, like in Gunbuster (which is awesome and you should go and watch it), but lately they've been failing to do it outside of comedy.
A fair bit of american fiction works, be it books, comic books or movies, have been doing it REALLY BADLY lately too. Sons of Anarchy did it TONS OF TIMES with the male leads and some female characters that everyone started making fun of it.
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« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2015, 08:51:41 am »

Towards the end of my ~10 years of anime-fanhood, I started seeing an increasing number of shows that seemed fairly sincere and non-exploitative, but eventually turned out to be plotless, characterless husks -- hollow vessels for gratuitous and creepy perv-service.
Fucking Sword Art Online.

Though when a male character has that role in the west they tend to be part of the military... and no woman almost ever has that role... it is almost like the west believes women are emotional basket cases and the idea of an emotionally in control woman would be wholly unbelievable.
In the 90's there was a trend where women were written as ice queens who were actually emotionally vulnerable once they let a man into their lives.

For example, the fanservice in Metal Gear is great, as are the stupid Attack on Titan bondage uniforms and whatever's wrong with the camera in DBZ that it needed to linger so much on Vegeta's butt.

Probably the last female-flavored fanservice I remember enjoying came from Integra Hellsing...
I never really saw the AoT uniforms as bondage clothes or anything. To me it looked practical on the women and effeminate (at worst) on the men. It didn't seem like the camera lingered on his butt but I did occasionally noticed how weird it (the butt) looked, how it was so thin and blocky. Never thought that there was intentional camera work there so thanks for corrupting me I guess.

Fanservice of Integra Hellsing!? Where the bloody hell was that in the entire series!? Seras Victoria yeah but Integra?

Hideako Anno did explicitly promise viewers "something to drool over in every episode".
To me that seems like an extension of the '"more fanservice next episode" and not delivering on it' thing the show had going for it. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

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It really shouldn't if you're an adult.

I don't like fanservice at all. Very rarely I appreciate it's there because it just makes sense for the character (Yang from RWBY is the only example that comes to mind) but I don't really enjoy it. What I absolutely loathe down to my very core is when they start showing fanservice where it is really, really inappropriate. Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha is the prime example of this, the fanservice of the show centering on the main character - a girl that's 8 or 9 years-old tops. Seriously Japan, WTF!?

Gilgamesh's fanservice scene in Fate/Zero (you know the one) was pretty funny, though without any clothes or armour on he didn't look attractive at all what with his upper body basically looking like a triangle with abs covering his torso in the dozens. It was worse than DBZ.
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« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2015, 09:17:16 am »

like in Gunbuster (which is awesome and you should go and watch it), but lately they've been failing to do it outside of comedy.
I fully concur, Gunbuster is one of the best things there is, but subtle it ain't when it came to (some of) the fanservice. The scene that a few seconds from 0:49 in the intro is taken from is, I imagine, when a decent segment of the people watching the show had realized that they'd hit puberty.  :P

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha is the prime example of this, the fanservice of the show centering on the main character - a girl that's 8 or 9 years-old tops. Seriously Japan, WTF!?
Wait, when was this? All I remember about MGLN was that it was Gundam with people instead of mecha. They didn't even go for fanservice in StrikerS after the cast had grown up. Like, the most non-PG thing in the original run was Precia being a crazy abusive mother.

...Unless you're talking about the smut that the show was sort of derived from as a(n ultimately more successful) spinoff, the Triangle Hearts whatever about her older siblings and parents being sexy modern ninjas or whatever it was. Can't say I ever had that cross my desk.
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« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2015, 09:26:34 am »

Well, yea :v, gunbuster was anything but subtle with its fanservice, but it integrated fanservice into its art style. You were basically expected to see exposed bits and breasts bouncing, so it was never jarring or out of place :P, and the show had a lot of different things to offer, IE it never relied ONLY on the fanservice to be awesome, since it was awesome in every way.
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« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2015, 10:50:44 am »

Honestly the thing I appreciate most about Gunbuster is the way it demonstrated that you don't need fifty gorram episodes to spin a good yarn.
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