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[Radio Controlled]

No idea, but it's been several days where I haven't seen him on irc, so went ahead and made a temporary one.

[Xantalos]

Damn though, if that's really what an Avatar gives...well fuck character development, I'm mugging the hell out of people to get one of those.

[Radio Controlled]

Gee, you just now found out?

[Parisbre56]

I'm certain you don't get a +2, at least, because that +1 is given by the equipment, similar to how exoskeletons and synthbodies work. And since exoskeletons no longer work that way, then neither does the avatar. Don't know what happens with the +1 though.

[Xantalos]

I knew it was ridiculous in the old rolling system, but (if it's how it's gonna be applied), the Avatar's the equivalent of 8-10 missions. To say the least it's a powergamer's wet dream, especially since it comes with weapons all on its own.
Dammit now I'm salivating.

[Radio Controlled]

Yeah, don't think so either, but I just applied them now as they were, will change once I know more.

Maybe one of you can ask him in irc how it works? And then maybe also ask what the requirement is for universal manip in terms of intelligence, and if the avatar still counts for that?

[Radio Controlled]

I knew it was ridiculous in the old rolling system, but (if it's how it's gonna be applied), the Avatar's the equivalent of 8-10 missions. To say the least it's a powergamer's wet dream, especially since it comes with weapons all on its own.
Dammit now I'm salivating.

It used to take 3 missions to get a +1. If anything, this system nerfs it. A little.

[Kriellya]

I knew it was ridiculous in the old rolling system, but (if it's how it's gonna be applied), the Avatar's the equivalent of 8-10 missions. To say the least it's a powergamer's wet dream, especially since it comes with weapons all on its own.
Dammit now I'm salivating.

I don't know how you're doing your math, but it's equivalent to *19* missions.

And it was equivalent to 24 missions in the old system.

[Hapah]

At least for stats, it was my understanding that they don't grant straight numerical bonuses, but are taken into account when trying to do actions that your gear might influence.

Like, imagine that you have a normal human, a synthflesh person, and an Avatar all with a +1 in strength. For a given action (pick up a car over your head), it might be impossible for the normal guy, require a decent roll for the synthflesh person, and be an auto or near-auto success for the avatar. Same bonuses, different requirements for an action to be successful.

[Xantalos]

Something something counting up bonuses. Think I did it wrongly.
Still, it brings the person so much closer to auto-success in everything without needing a decomp that it has a higher perceived value to me.

[syvarris]

@Avatar Str bonus

Back when we first were arguing about the new system, I asked PW about how strength would be handled, and he explicitly said that an Avatar whose pilot had -2 strength would stagger around and be extremely dangerous to his allies.

@General request

I'm not gonna be able to camp IRC for PW, and it doesn't look like he's gonna be reliably answering questions in any thread.  If anyone gets the chance, can they ask PW the below bolded questions?  They're essential for my respec, since Saint's unlikely to ever get a levelup again, and is the only Hephaestian who'll use amps.

What stats are required to use the Organochemistry Overrider Psychokinetic Amplifier (the mind control amp)?  Previously, it required 12 cha, and 15 will, so does that translate to +1 in both of those?  "Probably +2 in will, and +1 in charisma"

Does a universal amp that doesn't require being an amp specialist exist?  If so, what stat requirements does it have? "Yes.  Probably +4 will.  Or Exo."

Does being an avid tinkerer on Heph require any special stats/skills like Intelligence, Handiwork, or General knowledge?  Before, you only forced me to have a +0 in int.  (This includes minimum, because all of them will likely have -2 if you let met)  "no"

I have the distinct feeling that PW is going to give me so many required stats that I'm forced to hamstring myself just to obtain them alongside the ones I want.  Hopefully I can design a two-brain robobody, and just have a robosod control my movements.  ._.

[Parisbre56]

Why would you even want to use amps? If you're not going to go on missions (I assume that includes retrieval/diplomatic missions for Hephaestus) then there's little point. Whatever you want, you can just build machines or automanipulators that do the same thing better and more reliably.
Only things I can see this being useful for is giving orders to sods if radio/QEC is disabled (unlikely), trying to mess with aliens/alien artifacts (has a high chance of death), piloting Grate around in places where there's no signal for a machine that overrides his nerves, mind reading for potential traitors (in which case you are better off taking the neural connector, since piecwise said it would be better for mind reading: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136149.msg5664589#msg5664589).
Unless you intend to mind control your fellow Hephaestians for some Sinister Initiative for Slaughter and Insubordination, there's little use for it.

[syvarris]

It's primarily the mind reading bit.  I asked for the Overrider, because I can just get both anyway and mind control is potentially quite useful.  Maybe we could turn spies?  Maybe I could, as you suggested, pilot Grate?  Maybe I could try to mind control Xan into becoming our pet flesh production facili... oh wait, can't do that any more -.-

In any case, it's a skill that has uses, which no other Hephaestian has.  I'm pretty much of the opinion that every skill that can't be done by sods, is probably a good skill for at least one of us to have.  We have handi people, we've got aux people, med people, int, cha, gen. know... but no exo.

And yes, when I first decided I wanted MC it was because I didn't like Simus' dictatorship, but that's changed, so there's no malignant plans now.

[Xantalos]

There we go, made a few edits to my character sheet just to make myself kinda useful until I can do some things I'm gonna do.
Now then, who got that painless knife thing again?

[Empiricist]

Mesk.