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[NAV]

Wait, how does the Heph Defense count?  Half if you did one part, whole if you did both parts?  I might be misunderstanding that.

I think the defence counts as a full levelup, and the boarding gives 5 points to put anywhere.

[tryrar]

_Snip_

[Pancaek]

I need some help from the wiki gnomes, because I'm getting confuddleled. I have 6 complete level ups, +5 points from the timeskip and +5 points from the boarding action. Is this correct or am I screwing up somewhere like I think I am?

[swordsmith04]

Maximum bonus for a starting character is +2. Can't have +4.
You also can't drop a stat lower than -2.

@Pancaek: That looks right.

[Sean Mirrsen]

So, apparently Anton has more points than I thought. 20+20 for the missions, plus 5 for the timeskip. Woo!

Revising sheet:

With that in mind:

Code: [Select]

[Anton Chernozorov]
STR: 0
DEX: 0 [5]
END: 0
WIL: 0 [5]
INT: +2 (10)[10]
CHA: 0 [5]
FATE: 0

Intuit: +1 [5]
Handi: +2
Conv: 0
Uncon: 0
Exotic: -2
Aux: +2 [10]
Med: -1
General: +1 [5]

Points towards next level in (parentheses), total allocated points in [square brackets].

[Harry Baldman]

Ah, let me take a second to do this...

Spoiler: Virrsai Dawa Maal Leeyes, or Chief (click to show/hide)

Original:
Stats:
STR: 0
DEX: 0
END: 0
WIL: +1
INT: -1
CHA: 0
FAT: 0

Skills:
Intuit: 0
Handi: +2
Conv: 0
Uncon: 0
Exotic: 0
Aux: -2
Med: 0
General: -1

Leveled:
Stats:
STR: 0
DEX: 0
END: 0
WIL: +1
INT: 0 [5 points invested]
CHA: 0
FAT: 0

Skills:
Intuit: 0
Handi: +2
Conv: 0
Uncon: 0
Exotic: 0
Aux: -2
Med: 0
General: 0 [5 points invested]

Should be correct, right?

[Pancaek]

Respec in progress

Spoiler: Total points (click to show/hide)

30 stat points from levelups, 30 skill points from levelups, 10 wild points from boarding and timeskip

Spoiler: sheet start (click to show/hide)

Strength:0
Dexterity:0
Endurance:0
Charisma:-2
Intelligence:-1
Willpower:+2
Fate:0


Intuition:0
Handiwork:-2
Conventional Weapons:-2
Unconventional Weapons:+1
Exotic weapons:+2
Auxiliary Systems:0
Medical Tech:-2
General Knowledge:0

Spoiler: final sheet (click to show/hide)

((total spend points in '()'))

Strength:0
Dexterity:+1 (5)
Endurance:+1 (5)
Charisma:-2
Intelligence:-1
Willpower:+3 (15)
Fate:+1 (10)


Intuition:0
Handiwork:-2
Conventional Weapons:-2
Unconventional Weapons:+1
Exotic weapons:+4 (35)
Auxiliary Systems:0
Medical Tech:-2
General Knowledge:0

[Persus13]

So are Professions just out now?

Spoiler: Redone stats (click to show/hide)

Judas Smythe

Strength: 0
Dexterity: 0
Endurance:0
Charisma: -1
Intelligence:+1
Willpower: 0
Fate: 0


Intuition:0
Handiwork: 0
Conventional Weapons: +1
Unconventional Weapons: -1
Exotic weapons: 0
Auxiliary Systems: 0
Medical Tech: 0
General Knowledge: 0

[Hapah]

Yup, think so.

[syvarris]

I actually answered a lot of questions by editting that first post... guess nobody noticed.

Note that 'stats' and 'skills' are different, and have no relation to each other at all.

Charsheets which are flawed:
Tek: Has a total of +5 skills.  Would need -15 skills to actually get that (which is impossible) but only has -7.
Psmith Exerton: Has +2 stats, which only costs -3, but you have -4.  Same with the skills.
Charles: Not wrong, but poorly done.  Skills start with two +1s, and then levelups upgrade one of those to a +2.  It would be better to start with that +2, then use skills to upgrade the other to +1, and have 5 points to spare.  Also, you have no points in Charisma, which now covers speech.
Xan: Stats have a +3, but only -4; cost is -6.  Also, aren't your stats randomly decided now?
Gorat: Same issue as Charles.  Not wrong, but it would be more efficient to start Exo at +2, and aux at +0, then upgrade aux to +1 using levelup points, with another five left over.
Dubley: Same levelup mistakes as Charles and Gorat.  Not wrong, but not well done.

Everyone else is fine.

Well, defensive stats aren't like to be relevant, anyway, as removing the amp-overshoots that caused what, 80% of all deaths..  And with all temp-dead chars surviving..  I think there's been maybe two or three chars dying from non-amp instakills in the history of the game..

Yeah, no end should be doable without much issue.

Nah, there's been Mason, Floki, Michael, Grate, Felix, May, Jhoseph, Cecil, and a different Michael.  And that's not counting the instakills which were obviously avoidable.  Or the kills which weren't insta, which end will still help with avoiding.

Also, end prevents you from taking more minor injuries, like breaking your leg.  Sure, you're not permadead if that happens, but you are nearly useless dead weight.

@Sean Mirrsen & Empiricist

I was gonna suggest that we Heph personnel hold off on restatting for now.  We really do want to have complementary skillsets, and we definitely have time to discuss it and see what we can and should do.  If we all stat seperately, we'll probably end up with a lot of the same skills.

[AoshimaMichio]

Ulrich Leland. I think this is how I will roll for now. Maybe.

Spoiler: Start (click to show/hide)

STR:  0
DEX:  0
END:  0
CHA:  0
INT: -1
WIL: +1
FATE: 0

Intu:   0
Handi: -2
Con:   +1
Uncon:  0
Exo:    0
Aux:    +1
Med:   -2
Gen:   +1

Spoiler: Missions (click to show/hide)

M16: 5/5

Spoiler: Leveled (click to show/hide)

STR:  0
DEX:  +1
END:  0
CHA:  0
INT: -1
WIL: +1
FATE: 0

Intu:   0
Handi: -2
Con:   +1
Uncon:  0
Exo:   +1
Aux:    +1
Med:   -2
Gen:   +1

[Lenglon]

what is "Fate"?

No one shall ever know.


But Lars has a +1 in it, just as default

Um, PW, I want to place my stats as an RP reflection instead of min/maxing, how high or low would you think Lyra's Fate is?

She doesn't buy into the HMRC pantheon, if it matters.

[NAV]

Dubley: Same levelup mistakes as Charles and Gorat.  Not wrong, but not well done.

Thanks Syvarrie! I changed the sheet a bit.

[Parisbre56]

Any idea about a mathematical formula that can easily represent the new system? I'm trying to come up with one so that I don't make the templates a gigantic series of if-then-else.

EDIT: Solved, I think. Now to test it.

Spoiler: Contains math (click to show/hide)

Let's represent the initial level of a skill with I, the points put in that skill with P and the end result level of that skill with S.

With I==0 we know that the points needed for a skill level are

P_0=(S+1)*S*5/2

Therefore, by getting the inverse function we get

S_0=floor[-1/2 + Sqrt[5 + 8*P]/(2*Sqrt[5])]

Now, for I>=0 with use of P_0 we can get the number of points I represents and store it in a variable called P_Added_By_Init

P_Added_By_Init=(I+1)*I*5/2

and thus we can calculate the end Skill level S_1 and the skill added by points

S_1=floor[-1/2 + Sqrt[5 + 8*(P+P_Added_By_Init)]/(2*Sqrt[5])]

S_Added_By_Points=S_1 - I

So we can have a template that looks like

<skill_name> | P | S_Added_By_Points "+" I

Now the problem is, what do we do for I<0?
We can use logical functions to get around the problem. So the new function becomes

P_Delta_By_Init=sign[ I]*(abs[ I]+1)*abs[ I]*5/2

S_2= -1*[(P+P_Delta_By_Init)<0]*ceil[-1/2 + Sqrt[5 + 8*(abs(P_Delta_By_Init+P))]/(2*Sqrt[5])] + [(P+P_Delta_By_Init)>=0]*floor[-1/2 + Sqrt[5 + 8*(P+P_Delta_By_Init)]/(2*Sqrt[5])]

S_Delta_By_Points=S_2 - I

[if(S_2<0 change colour to red)] | <skill_name> | P | S_Delta_By_Points "+" I

[Dutrius]

Alright, re-speccing.

Spoiler: Kai Branden (Base) (click to show/hide)

Strength:+1
Dexterity:-1
Endurance:0
Charisma:-1
Intelligence:+1
Willpower:-1
Fate:0

Intuition:0
Handiwork:+1
Conventional Weapons:+1
Unconventional Weapons:-1
Exotic weapons:-2
Auxiliary Systems:+1
Medical Tech:-2
General Knowledge:-1

One mission: (M18) (25 points for skills and stats?)

Spoiler: Kai Branden (re-specced) (click to show/hide)

Strength:+1
Dexterity:0 [5]
Endurance:+0
Charisma:-1
Intelligence:+1
Willpower:-1
Fate:0
(0 stat points left over)

Intuition:0
Handiwork:+1
Conventional Weapons:+1
Unconventional Weapons:0 [5]
Exotic weapons:-2
Auxiliary Systems:+1
Medical Tech:-2
General Knowledge:-1
(0 skill points left over)

Is this correct? Is it 5 points or 25? PW's opening post is a little ambiguous. Edited.