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[Yoink]

Oh. Right. I guess I counted wrong. Unsurprisingly.

[syvarris]

You also seem to have incorrect stats; Strength, Dexterity, and Intelligence all have a +1, but you only have -2 in will (which will get you killed) and -1 in endurance (which was increased to +0 by levelup)

And seriously, you should count the third levelup.  Saint was reduced to nothing more than a brain on both missions he participated in, before he ever did anything helpful in either, and still leveled for both.  Other people have had similar things happen.  You're just penalizing yourself for no particular reason.  Even Jim leveled up on his first mission, and that was when PW still gave penalties for dying.

[swordsmith04]

And, now that I've stared at it long enough that my brain could parse it between getting distracted by that avatar of yours, I notice you've got one too many +1s in both sets. I'm not sure why you wouldn't have gotten a levelup for mission 8, though - isn't it pay that gets deducted for that sort of thing, not levelups? And your point distribution under the old system is weird enough that I'm pretty sure you got points for the timeskip, so you've got 5 more points to distribute anywhere you like. Or 5 to take away, if you still want to go with 2 levelups rather than 3.

Partially ninja'd by syvarris, but still somewhat relevant.

[kisame12794]

Spoiler: Base (click to show/hide)

Morul Migurkeshin

Strength:0 (0)
Dexterity:+2 (15)
Endurance:0 (0)
Charisma:-2 (-15)
Intelligence:-2 (-15)
Willpower:+2 (15)
Fate:0 (0)

Intuition: 0 (0)
Handiwork: -2 (-15)
Conventional Weapons:+2 (15)
Unconventional Weapons: -1 (-5)
Exotic weapons:+2 (15)
Auxiliary Systems: 0 (0)
Medical Tech: -2 (-15)
General Knowledge: +1 (5)

Participated in Five missions (25 points of Stat/skill), and was there for the timeskip and boarding (+10 to either stat or skill).

Spoiler: Lvl'd (click to show/hide)

Morul Migurkeshin

Stat:25 From LVLS, 5 From Timeskip, 5 From Boarding, 35 total
15 into Will
15 into Dex
5 into Str

Strength: +1 (5)
Dexterity: +3 (30)
Endurance: 0 (0)
Charisma: -2 (-15)
Intelligence: -2 (-15)
Willpower: +3 (30)
Fate: 0 (0)

Skill:25 From LVLS
10 into Conwep
15 into Exowep

Intuition: 0 (0)
Handiwork: -2 (-15)
Conventional Weapons: +2 (25)
Unconventional Weapons: -1 (-5)
Exotic weapons: +3 (30)
Auxiliary Systems: 0 (0)
Medical Tech: -2 (0)
General Knowledge: +1 (5)

Hopefully that is correct.

Edit:
Clarifying missions attended, because some are apparently worth more? Maybe?
9B, Yearlong Anomalous Planetoid
11 Heph Assault
Timeskip
12 Heph Defence
Boarding Action
14 Cultist Shakedown
18 Eater Of Cold

[Xantalos]

Not quite, no. For the base sheet you'd need about 6 more minuses in order to keep those two +2s, for example. It's not a points based system. If you wanna get a +2 in something, or two seperate +1 bonuses, you have to apply a total cumulative penalty of -3; -1 for the first +1, and -2 for the second +1. If you wanted to add a third +1, you'd have to add a -3 penalty onto all of that, making the total a -6.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Hmmm.
Now that I think about it, it really is a net loss if I pick up two 1+ on skills, isn't it?
I'll go ahead and change that.

[Xantalos]

Points wise, yeah it's basically a net loss to stat anything except for a +1/-1 thing.
Including other factors, like my ... condition ... the dynamic changes.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Okay, changed it, as much as I hate changing stats in the name of optimisation (I say this having power levelled my fallout character to max barter and speech immediately.) I hate wasting anything even more, Uncon isn't going to be much use against fungus, and i can level that once (if) I finish this mission unlike having to complete two to get where I would be later.

[Beirus]

Let's see. Got two missions, so 10 points...

Jason Caldwell

Spoiler: Base (click to show/hide)

Strength:-1
Dexterity:0
Endurance:0
Charisma:-2
Intelligence:0
Willpower:+1
Fate:+1


Intuition:+2
Handiwork:-2
Conventional Weapons:0
Unconventional Weapons:-2
Exotic weapons:+1
Auxiliary Systems:0
Medical Tech:-2
General Knowledge:0

Bracketed numbers are total points added to each.

Spoiler: Respec (click to show/hide)

Strength:-1
Dexterity:+1 [5]
Endurance:+1 [5]
Charisma:-2
Intelligence:0
Willpower:+1
Fate:+1


Intuition:+2
Handiwork:-2
Conventional Weapons:+1 [5]
Unconventional Weapons:-2
Exotic weapons:+1
Auxiliary Systems:-2
Medical Tech:-2
General Knowledge:+1 [5]

[Kriellya]

Yeah, that's one issue I have with the current system. Kind of. It's basically never worth it to +1 a second stat. +0, +1, and +2 are all 'optimal', and anything else is... honestly, more than just 'mathematically wrong', but feels really, really punishing in the early game. Like, you basically can't have any breadth in the early game under the current setup without taking a significant progression hit, which I feel is a problem.

Hm... Hey PW, think there is a balance issue if new players also get 5 stat and 5 skill points to start, after redistributing bonuses?

5 points allows a new character to get a +1 in something, or negate a -1, and does *not* allow them to reach any other thresholds. There is no way to use these points to get a +2 or +3, at least until you have a mission under his belt.

[Xantalos]

Would this then apply to only people without a mission or people with as well?

[Kriellya]

Would this then apply to only people without a mission or people with as well?

No, this is intended as part of the 'Base Character'. So for everyone who is already working on theirs, it would be an extra 5 stat & skill points.

Though an argument could be made for it only being for new characters... we'll see what PW thinks

[Xantalos]

As a minmaxer, I'd eagerly welcome your proposal because it'd get me one mission closer to mastery of stuff that I really need to master. It might not be really all that fair to PW though - he won't get nearly as many opportunities to screw with sensible people.

[Nikitian]

@Piecewise Alternative proposition: Another free +1/-1 before the gradual penalty increase kicks in. (Probably not for increasing +1 over to +2, but only if a second skill gets bonus.)

Spoiler: Relevant snippet of yesterday discussion (click to show/hide)

04:36   Nikitian        So, I've thought about it: with the +2 cap for initial character skills (and ensuing focus on spreading skills rather specialization from start), should the additional +1 in different skills require progressively more -1s?
04:37   Nikitian        As is, the system favors mostly raising a single stat, since it is balanced against that, not against spreading the skills
04:38   Nikitian        So, say, the Mercenary prof of old now needs another -1 somewhere, and don't you even think of going for three +1 skills, unless you're dumping pretty much everything else
04:40   Nikitian        (Now, I am not saying that this wide application of bonuses right from start should not be penalised, but... maybe, as is, it is currently too much?)
04:48   Toaster Maybe give another free +1/-1?
04:48   Toaster So you could do +1 handi/aux and -1 con/uncon for a noncombat builder type
04:48   Toaster Or something like that
04:49   Toaster But +1 handi/aux/med would require four -1
04:51   Nikitian        Yeah, and then + 2 Con/+1 Uncon could be more viable with four -1, for example; and +2/+2 would go straight for minmaxing -7 to spread around
04:53   Nikitian        (as opposed to -6 and -10 to spread, respectively)

[Xantalos]

...I'd also go for that maybe if I could figure out how it applied to +2/-2.