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[4maskwolf]

Also: They're going to vote to avoid being lynched, which means jumping on the easiest bandwagon and being as invisible as possible. They're not going to want to take risks or do scumhunting themselves, lest they be a target for scum.

Not entirely true: scumhunt too little and you get lynched for active lurking or shot as a third-party by the other faction.  Take risks, yes, they don't want to do that, but when was the last time you saw a townie take a big risk?

[4maskwolf]

4mask: I think you're assuming that roo is good at the game. He's, err... not? Look for qualitative and not quantitative measures of skill.

I wasn't meaning skill in my analogy, I was saying time-wise.

[origamiscienceguy]

Is this your strategy for not getting lynched? I don't think it is working.

it's a process; I'm learning.

I recommend doing what 4mask suggested. Calm down, don't treat this as life-and-death. To me, and many others, this is a fun pastime and not a hobby. Treat it like a game and not a competition.

[4maskwolf]

Is this your strategy for not getting lynched? I don't think it is working.

it's a process; I'm learning.

I recommend doing what 4mask suggested. Calm down, don't treat this as life-and-death. To me, and many others, this is a fun pastime and not a hobby. Treat it like a game and not a competition.

[joke]Says the person with the highest postcount in pretty much every game they play.[/joke]

[origamiscienceguy]

Is this your strategy for not getting lynched? I don't think it is working.

it's a process; I'm learning.

I recommend doing what 4mask suggested. Calm down, don't treat this as life-and-death. To me, and many others, this is a fun pastime and not a hobby. Treat it like a game and not a competition.

[joke]Says the person with the highest postcount in pretty much every game they play.[/joke]

What else am I supposed to do in Advanced Placement Physics?

[origamiscienceguy]

oops. Forgot the joke tags.

[Cheeetar]

Also: They're going to vote to avoid being lynched, which means jumping on the easiest bandwagon and being as invisible as possible. They're not going to want to take risks or do scumhunting themselves, lest they be a target for scum.

Not entirely true: scumhunt too little and you get lynched for active lurking or shot as a third-party by the other faction.  Take risks, yes, they don't want to do that, but when was the last time you saw a townie take a big risk?

Every time you play town

[TheDarkStar]

TheDarkStar what makes me more likely to be panicking scum than any other option?

You're voting people erratically and you're constantly on the defense.

the third-parties aren't just going to gang up on townies to mislynch them because THEY DON'T KNOW WHO IS TOWN ANY MORE THAN WE DO!

No? Two of them know each other's identity. Also, it makes sense for the third-parties to lynch town rather than scum because lynching scum significantly shortens the game for the third parties. They might not know exactly who the town are, but they can make good guesses.

Comrade Shamrock: Vote on 4mask about a natural defense 4mask did. It was too early for anybody to really scumhunt so you can't blame 4mask. You, on the other hand, started off scumhunting and didn't seem to actually care about who you voted on. Could be still RVS, or you really don't care who get's lynched. Scum lean

OSG: Scumhunting is not actually a scummy thing to do, but not scumhunting is. You seem to have reversed that.

Everyone voting for 4mask: Why are voting for him? Do you think he is 3rd party or mafia? Why?

I'm voting for him because he's acting scummy (as detailed above). As for whether he's 3rd party or mafia, I'm leaning towards scum. I have an idea about who his scumbuddy is if he's scum, but I'm going to wait to see his flip.

PPE: Roo: You're not doing that badly for a new player. You should look up how my first few games went sometime (hint: I was lynched, sometimes more than once per game).

[4maskwolf]

TheDarkStar what makes me more likely to be panicking scum than any other option?

You're voting people erratically and you're constantly on the defense.

the third-parties aren't just going to gang up on townies to mislynch them because THEY DON'T KNOW WHO IS TOWN ANY MORE THAN WE DO!

No? Two of them know each other's identity. Also, it makes sense for the third-parties to lynch town rather than scum because lynching scum significantly shortens the game for the third parties. They might not know exactly who the town are, but they can make good guesses.

Massive post is massive.

Please, do tell why it is scummy that I change my mind about people after receiving answers from them.

If someone votes for crappy reasons they get called on it, thus is the way of mafia.  And please, educated guesses about who is town?  In CYOM 3 both of the scum players of one team topped nearly everyone's "towny list" for D1 and flabort remained in good standing among the living for... quite some time (basically until he started going power-mad).  So, pray tell, how much use to you believe that scumhunting is?

Also, people here are fairly glaringly missing some meta things, not just with me but with other people.

[4maskwolf]

Oh, and TDS: if you think you know who my scumbuddy is if I flip scum, it would behoove you to tell the town before the end of the day in case you get killed in the night.  Unless you're just trying to earn yourself towncred with that statement without ever qualifying it.

[Teneb]

PFP

Forgot to add a vote in my last post. roo

[Peradon]

Man, this post exploded. I just finished catching up, so expect a post soon.

[Peradon]

Ok guys, look at roo's playstyle. He played like this in the BM, he is playing like this in the bastard game, this is just his meta, so dont vote for him based on that please.

8 pages in and the circle jerk continues...

roo: Then why are you not doing anything to try and break it? So far, all I've seen is you complain about it, but not actually do anything about that.

DeathSword, this looks like a OMGUS to me. First he votes you for criticizing DA based on wording, which was entirely justifiable. Then you respond, defending yourself. Then you quote his circlejerking post, and vote based on that, which is by no means justifiable, and looks to me like you are trying to cover up your OMGUS.

It may to you, but up to this post he'd done pretty much nothing but bitch about RVS/RQS instead of trying to move us out of it by actually questioning anyone. Sure, they voted me based on my attempt to see if DA would do a big slip or not, but they never actually followed through on it. So I called them out on it, and added pressure.
[/quote]I actually cant argue with this. Unvote for now.

Cheeetar: Please respond to this. It does look like you were trying to put words into 4mask's mouth:

4maskwolf: What reason would town have for not wanting to establish a consistent approach to dealing with the third parties?

The scum are actually in more of a position to want the third-parties gone, since they have more to lose from shooting the ugly or getting shot by the bad.  So I say we leave them to do their own thing and focus on the actual task of finding scum.

And this means town should not have a consistent approach to dealing with third parties because...?

Because every game is different, every situation is different, and it's pointless to fuss over the future.

This is a very poor argument for thinking that discussing best practices is scummy, 4maskwolf.

Now that's just blatant misrepresentation.  I never said it was scummy, I said it was a waste of time and we should focus on scumhunting,

4maskwolf: You look pretty scummy right now. Some people have put forward some good thoughts on you, basically saying that you are getting defensive, and you arent scumhunting besides in defense of yourself. What say you on this?

[origamiscienceguy]

Roo has also been blatantly disrespectful of some players. Look at this:

tldr: wah wah I don't like what Roo is saying even tho it's true. If all of that is an issue then don't play mafia. seriously if you can't contribute the adequate time to it why ruin it for everyone that can and does play to win.

And this:

It's great that he's doing x and y in college/university it sucks that tiruin doesn't have stable internet. That does affect this game and the players in it. Instead of doing some repairs on the house I'm reading the thread and posting in it everyday. I made a commitment to the game by signing up for it. Am I being aggressive yes. But so what. How does that detract from anything I said? Should they replace out? Yes I think so they have both clearly stated they can't contribute.

[Peradon]

Roo has also been blatantly disrespectful of some players. Look at this:

tldr: wah wah I don't like what Roo is saying even tho it's true. If all of that is an issue then don't play mafia. seriously if you can't contribute the adequate time to it why ruin it for everyone that can and does play to win.

And this:

It's great that he's doing x and y in college/university it sucks that tiruin doesn't have stable internet. That does affect this game and the players in it. Instead of doing some repairs on the house I'm reading the thread and posting in it everyday. I made a commitment to the game by signing up for it. Am I being aggressive yes. But so what. How does that detract from anything I said? Should they replace out? Yes I think so they have both clearly stated they can't contribute.

Yes, I know. He has been, and if it gets worse, I might be willing to do a policy lynch on him. But he's pretty much like this in the other games too, so its his meta.