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[Egan_BW]

Yeah, smashing beds gives rags, taking it apart gives blankets worth more rags.

Not a mattress? So unrealistic!

[Blood_Librarian]

The matress is represented by two blankets, I dont think it has an actual blanket on top.

[Robsoie]

He hasnt made a knife yet.

I had plenty of cutting item, unfortunately in those regular looting expedition and dropping the loot at the homebase i unfortunately got rid of anything that could cut.
Leading me to have to go back to base with the blankets in order to get my rags.

Decided to check on the latest experimental to see what changed since the one i'm using (from this summer) and after loading my save and noticing several errors related to some "pot helmet XL", "2x4" and "dry_mushroom_magic"  , then finally got a serious crash ingame after playing around for 5mn i finally went back to my previous experimental as i like that current character run and want to keep playing it.

While walking around for a few minutes in the latest experimental it seems that long grass is now a thing because they slow you down (and play the "climb over" sound from my sound pack repeatedly considering there's a lot of long grass everywhere) .
More annoyingly, those long grass didn't appeared on the tileset i was using so considering they slow you down it's just terribly bad when you're hunted to not know where they are.

Unfortunately it looks like the author will not update his tileset anymore

There's this one that has some similarity with it (though some different sprites for most monsters) and is still updated that will show the long grass :
https://github.com/SomeDeadGuy/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset

 

[Aseaheru]

He hasnt made a knife yet.

Yes, I know. I was confirming their theories.

[Robsoie]

Some good news

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After several days, my character broken legs  finally mended , no more need of the leg splints.
Will be able to walk a bit faster again



Found some new best friends, here we're travelling in my new car


After i finally calmed the hunger with harvested blueberries, i decided to farm with their seeds in the fields next to my base.
Crafted a stone shovel in order to "upturn earth" in order to till the soil and planted the seeds in those newly created mound of dirt.


Hopefully it will not take too much time to get something harvestable (i'm using an experimental from before the new farm stuff was included) as it is raining regularly.

Some bad news

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While doing the farm work a rather annoying NPC moved near the base and ordered me to put down weapons and etc.
Obviously i refused and the hostile guy shot my "sunglass woman" team member to death.
With my other teammate we filled that damned intruder with bolts (gained finally a shotgun, all those ammo i had for one will finally become useful) .

Damn, "sunglass woman" had her 2 arms broken from a nasty zombie group fight several days ago, i even made arm splints for her and her arm were slowly recovering, i hoped they would mend in a couple more days ...
Ah the tragedy ... it was inevitable as Urist would say in such occasion.

Anyways, decided to wear her sunglass in memory just before giving an inhaler to a woman NPC that was in need of it , and that then joined my team.

[MCreeper]

Was there any significant positive changes lately? Was there enough positive changes made from 0.C to justify playing later versions instead of just firing up ye olde 0.C (wiki troubles aside)? Just asking, because i didn't seen much there except screaming at ridicolous changes and killed(?) attempt at making player-made settlements. And in game (version from around 4 month ago. No immediately noticeable idiocy. Still have it, just in case.  ) i have seen some "birds" (apparently with dog's AI) and domestic animals running around. And "weird, but fine" merging of construction and fabrication skills.

[Descan]

Cataclysm is one of those weird games where the "experimental" version is A) usually more stable than the 'stable' release, and B) almost a completely different game after enough time has passed, which is the case in this situation.

Like you might as well be asking what's the same, it's a smaller list.

Of course, you're talking about a version from "4 months ago," which... You know, ISN'T the 0.C release, so I don't know what you're asking here.

[MCreeper]

I'm futilely asking "what version makes most sense/most enjoyable", as many before me. 

[Egan_BW]

Eh, I always just grab the latest nightly.

[Robsoie]

There are so much changes (good or bad) bugs fixed and new introduced etc... that it's hard to definitively point to a version that fully is satisfying (it's a bit similar to DCSS too i can't find a version that fully satisfy me, lots of good removed, good added, bad removed and bad added that it's impossible to me to point to a favorite).

From time to time i toy with an experimental and then was always going back to old version 0.9 (from 2013) but recently i have been sticking with an experimental i am playing since +/- this summer that i am enjoying enough (with some nice tileset and a soundpack that improve the atmosphere a lot to me) to not yet go back to my old 0.9.

I have tried a few newer experimental versions but crashed a bit too much without knowing why (as there was no ingame error message to report and nothing in the log that i could report, i wonder if it has to do with that world save that was created in an older version before some of the important change) to have any fun, there's apparently several changed game mechanics since the summer version i'm still using but i'll wait until the whole thing get more stable (as while there have been some errors messages, i never yet crashed with the experimental i use) to try again a newer version and see how the game is after those changes.
After all they're trying to go for a stable 0.D "soon".

Anyways, there have been some events for my character since my last report

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On a previous report i mentionned how a bunch of random NPC (not static ones) were oddly gathering in a specific area of the city and patrolling constantly north /south of it

Most of those guys gave me a Jabberwock mission (the eater of the dead mission thing) , and nearly all of them had that mission on the same location on the world map.

So i thought it was all the same Jabberwock target.
I found recently on a hostile NPC corspe a nice shotgun (that he used to murder one of my team member) to be of use with all the ammo i had gathered before for it, so i decided it was time to get to work on that mission and with my 2 allies (i gave a SKS + ammo to one and a crossbow + bolts to the other) i was very optimistic on the outcome.

We travelled with my car and finally while we were roaming around in a distant town, we found the Jabberwock at some distance.
But it was not a Jabberwock, it was actually multiple Jabberwock.


2 of those nasties ! but something else was going on : true to their "i eat everyone" they were fighting each other.


Once one was dead, i saw a 3rd Jabberwock rushing (i guess their numbers is probably explained by all those different random NPC giving the same location to their eater of the dead hunting mission) and started to fight the surviving one.

Obviously we waited in the car  for a single monster to emerge victorious, so we would be able to kill him more easily.
We didn't wait for long, the last of the things moved toward us, we welcomed it with shotgun, rifle and crossbow


After coming back to town to report my victory to those bunch of NPC , it actually enabled me to have 100% persuasion chance when asking each of them to join after they were happy of the mission being a success and me asking no reward.

And very soon i was leading a good and strong squad


It also solved the lag of the area where all those random NPC were bizarrely moving north then south constantly without reason (it was probably another bug but without error).

One of those NPC had a green wound at the head, yeah an infected wound unfortunately so only antibiotic would help, i knew that on the version i was playing 1st aid kits had no more antibiotics inside (unlike the much older version i was used to).

And obviously no real antibiotic anywhere in any of the town i visited (pharmacies seems to be more busy selling snacks than medication in that bizarre world, unless it's another bug with the item distribution). Oh i found a few "atreyupan" that apparently are very weak version of antibiotics, and after trying them on the NPC indeed they did absolutely nothing, "too weak antibiotic" it even said as expected when i asked the NPC to show me his stat page.

But at the city in the north distance of my base there's a hospital.

So if there's a hospital there must be antibiotic or anything that can help right ?
But there's also truckload of undeads there.

Yet, i had an army this time, they had weapons and i had in stock some more , so how about we go and try to conquer that nastily infested hospital and get a lifetime of healing there ?

Ok, i was decided and we went to war.
Yeah, it was war, outside of the hospital


we killed probably a hundred of undead, and inside of the hospital probably the same.
I was out of ammo for most of my weapons , half my squad was dead but the infected NPC was still alive (as i protected him quite a lot from the onslaught).

So we had a cleared hospital, that was amazing right ?
And ... not ... a ... single ... antibiotic ... anywhere in it and on any of the destroyed zombies.

Looks like item distribution is very odd. I guess that NPC is unfortunately going to die soon , oh well.
Anyways at least i got some usefull loot out of that hospital : i found a lot of disinfectant , so at least i can prevent a blue wound to become green on anyone.

And i ran into a computer about stem cell apparently, and it automatically injected me with stem cell in the eye without me really asking, delivered a lot of pain that i had to wait out (and aspirin helps) in order to get my lost stats back but once pain was at 0 again, i saw no change to my character.
No idea what it is supposed to do.

[Blood_Librarian]

I believe it instantly mends broken bones, as well as possibly healing regular damage.

It has a 10% chance to instead do a bad though.

[AzyWng]

About which build or whatever is the best one...

Again, I don't play very much because much of the time I don't make it past the first few days...

[Ygdrad]

I'm futilely asking "what version makes most sense/most enjoyable", as many before me. 

I've personally always played the latest experimental unless there's something problematic or a new feature just got added but makes the game hard to play due to not being tweaked yet, in which case I may hold back on updating further for a bit. The wiki might be out of date on a bunch of stuff, but you can still make use of the CDDA item browser, and if you have any question about mechanics or strategies, the CDDA discord is very helpful. The game is basically open source so you can also just have a look at the files and code and figure out all the intricacies of certain mechanics with some quick searches. Usually, if an addition or change is very divisive you'll soon have a mod that disables or changes it which you can use if you absolutely must have it the old way to have fun. I personally just get used to the new balance and push onward.

Don't be scared of the crashes either. You can enable the autosave in the options, the default settings for it save the game every 5 minutes and 50 turns. Coupled with the game's relatively short loading times, this means a crash doesn't really cost you much time at all most of the time. With the current version, crashes haven't been super common, but they'll still usually happen once or twice a day depending on how long I play.

[Robsoie]

Ran into a game mechanic i never experienced so far and that annoyed me so much i just stopped playing.

It started well

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My small blueberry farm was finally starting to have the plants growing


While trying to check a new town for a last attempt to find at least 1 antibiotic to try to save the infected NPC, i found a gun store that unlike the previous one had actual guns and ammo in it

you can see the infected NPC , it's the woman that decided to go to fight bare chested and has an orange dialogue bubble thingy above her sprite

But from there

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While still exploring we ran into a bunch of undead when we exited a store, we stood our ground and shot them all as we had some ammo to test.
Sadly the NPC are slow to shoot (they take more time than the player when they see a threat) so some undead managed to get in melee range with them, and the infected NPC unfortunately died during the battle, oh well so much for trying to find antibiotics.

It was sad but i didn't noticed at the time what exactly happened.
After  that i started to notice my character mood falling into the red " ): " , i thought it had to do with the loss of a team member, though that team member was not one for much long, and i had lost in battle many friendly NPC already without that kind of morale hit, so it was a bit puzzling there.

And that got much wronger

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But still i resumed exploring the new town, as after all if we could find an antibiotic for a possible future infected NPC, at least we could have something to help.

Once i found nothing and was back to base for a night of sleep i noticed the character mood was red " D: " , huh ? what the hell ?
I checked the morale info and noticed the game had a "Killed Innocent -100" in red (what ?) , overcoming the positive morale stuff from good food/being comfy etc... by far

The next day the morale hit "Killed Innocent" was at -99 but with that mood you can't learn from book, can't craft in normal time etc... , you have malus to move and etc... it's then a big problem.
I checked on my kill list and found where that crap was coming from : the infected friendly NPC is listed as one of my kills
Considering i never killed that NPC that's rather infuriating that game mechanic decided to cripple your character like that .

I thought about why this could have happened and the only thing i can imagine is that when i shoot i always aim ( f -> p ) so i never miss any shot, but aiming takes a couple of turns that you don't actually see happening, so in the case a NPC for some reason rushed into the line of sight between my character and the target, maybe he took the shot.
But still that NPC died near a zombie i wasn't shooting at, so i doubt it's the explanation.

Anyways , went to read all those entertainment books i had stockpiled in a nice house nearby , managed to get the mood back to green ""


So i thought ok, from now it should get better and the red malus should start to go down with the positive green morale gain.
Excepted that it didn't work like that, i noticed with the day exploration, the mood was falling to white :| then red ): and red D: again, because positive morale bonus drop regularly (and fast) but the red malus "Killed Innocent" didn't dropped at all.

The next day i noticed that "Killed Innocent" dropped to ... -98 , so everything had to be done again and apparently this mean this stupid malus will take 98 days to disappear ?

I was so annoyed i just stopped playing, there are people suggesting that editing the save could help solve this problem in case someone run into that crap and want to still keep playing :
https://old.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/2uqdik/how_do_i_cure_depression/coas8pb/

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This penalty is a bug, bandits are innocents until they turn hostile...

But you can delete the penalty from your saved game. In the save directory there are save directories for each world. In each world save directory there are <something>.sav files for each player characters. If you have more than one character on that world, play with this depressed one, save it, and the last modified .sav file will be the one you have to modify.

Open it with a text editor and search this string:
          "morale" : [

That part of the file will be something like this:
      "morale" : [
            {
                "type_enum" : 47,
                "bonus" : 4,
                "duration" : 5,
                "decay_start" : 5,
                "age" : 0
            },
            {
                "type_enum" : 35,
                "bonus" : -300,
                "duration" : 5000,
                "decay_start" : 300,
                "age" : 0
            }
        ],

Delete the -300 section from "{" to "}" and don't forget to delete the ","  before the "{".
The result will be something like this:
      "morale" : [
            {
                "type_enum" : 47,
                "bonus" : 4,
                "duration" : 5,
                "decay_start" : 5,
                "age" : 0
            }
        ],

Save the file and play the game. Killing innocent penalty is gone.

Will be back for the eventual 0.D release but i'll go play something else meanwhile.

[Il Palazzo]

Any ideas why I can't find vehicle welding rig in the crafting menu? I've two books with the recipe on hand, and both fabrication and electronics two levels above the required 4 (as per the wiki). Is there something else I need?
For clarity: it's not that I'm missing components, the recipe isn't even listed.
I'm playing the experimental from a few days back.

edit: nvrmnd - that's just a wonky wiki I've been using