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[pisskop]

its actually the player speaking.

[scourge728]

So, you can startle yourself by making noise?

Also, unless the experimentals changed it, why is the bat wing the only wing with no positive effects?

[pisskop]

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No.  That migo gon eat him.  Migo are blind at night [~11 tile sight], but can hear well.

bat wing?

[scourge728]

the mutation

[duckman]

So, you can startle yourself by making noise?

Also, unless the experimentals changed it, why is the bat wing the only wing with no positive effects?

Wing stubs only increase your mutation and ugliness rating, but apart from that, they have the potential to turn into one of the good wings. Ugliness (even the basic Ugly trait) also makes you scarier though, so you'll be a bit more successful with intimidation as long as you aren't past the point that mutation-phobic NPCs just try to blow your brains out on sight.

[scourge728]

Bird wings slow your fall and prevent fall damage, insect wings let you move faster, butterfly wings give you a 50% chance to fly over pits and spiked pits and increase move speed, but bat wings only give a -3 dodge penalty, my question is why

[Egan_BW]

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No.  That migo gon eat him.  Migo are blind at night [~11 tile sight], but can hear well.

Hah, of course not. I got eaten by good old fashioned zombies, just like every other time I make a character.

[Random_Dragon]

Bird wings slow your fall and prevent fall damage, insect wings let you move faster, butterfly wings give you a 50% chance to fly over pits and spiked pits and increase move speed, but bat wings only give a -3 dodge penalty, my question is why

Because bats are clumsy I guess.

[Greiger]

I believe it's part of the whole not all mutations are good thing.  Mutations are supposed to be a bit more rng based than bionics. With bionics you know what yer getting, with mutations you don't. 

Back in the day most mutation options had an entirely negative possibility even in otherwise good trees.  I'm not sure if that's still the case for everything but bat wings were the 'you failed the rng' extension from wing stubs. 

As of why they don't work when compared to bird wings?  I have no idea, I always assumed they were just heavier.  I think they just had to figure out a bad version of wings and couldn't think of a good idea.  I would have went with skeletal wings myself, the mutation gave you the skeletal structure of the wings but for some reason you failed to develop the webbing, making them get in the way while being functionally worthless.

[AzyWng]

It sounds like Egan_BW might need/want some advice on not getting eaten by zombies.

I know I could use it ...

[Kaitol]

I mean. The most basic advice has been stated dozens of times. Use chokepoints and terrain. Make sure you're either A at low enough encumbrance to actually hit things, especially dodgy things, or B have enough armor to just laugh off normal zeds. Drop encumbering bags before a fight, stop dragging that shopping cart etc. As for armor that can protect against normal zeds... off the top of my head default firefighter gear will almost 100% protect everywhere but the head. The helmet only has like 90% coverage so the odd hit will smack your gob.

[se5a]

It is really hard to start.
you need to get a ranged weapon as soon as possible, get a bow and keep getting a better bow and better arrows as best you can, a long bow with metal arrows can take out most zeds, a reflex recurved is even better. even wood arrows are good though. be sure to get a quiver and load it so you can get as many arrows off before your target closes on you. then drop the bow and switch to a spear, you can use that at range 2 as you run. just be careful of smoker etc zeds since they're really hard to hit with ranged weapons.
use (X) Peak lots.
have an exit strategy - through a shop with lots of counters is good, the zeds will try to go through/over in a direct line to you while you dodge around faster, and out the back exit.
get to a house and make that your base of operations, while you slowly clear the town and skill up.


I'm curious what you guys do for mass zombie killing.

[Akura]

I'm curious what you guys do for mass zombie killing.

Until you get some decent skill levels as well as weapons, it's "don't".

Pick off individual zombies, run if there's more than two or three. Traps are good; I particularly like caltrops, they're easy to make with a pair of bolt cutters.

[scriver]

stop dragging that shopping cart

I just upgraded from an older version and that the zombies lost the ability to climb them was the worst thing

There went my entire strategy. Of course, I get that it was cheesy. But it worked.

[azmodean]

I'm curious what you guys do for mass zombie killing.

Until you get some decent skill levels as well as weapons, it's "don't".

I feel like this is the piece most people are missing, very early, don't think about defeating the zombies blocking your path, find another psth.