Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[TempAcc]

From my experience, buckshot is way larger than birdshot pellets, so I dont know where he got that from :v

Here's a visual comparison of common 12 gauge ammo:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Note: There are several variations of birdshot, with larger or smaller pellets. It stops being considered birdshot when the pellets get to about 0.240" in diameter, which is the smallest size of buckshot, IIRC. The largest birdshot I know is about 0.190" in diameter, which is pretty large for birdshot.

[azmodean]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell#Buckshot
On second look, it's [Citation Needed], but no one seems to be disputing it.

[Salmeuk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell#Buckshot
On second look, it's [Citation Needed], but no one seems to be disputing it.

I mean if you're serious about the discussion, Wikipedia is never a reliable source. It gets some things right, but the etymology of birdshot vs. buckshot is probably missing / not the full story.

[ZeroGravitas]

That said, the z-levels option (not mod) has been making some progress, albeit not quite as fast as before since we're reworking some of the more difficult bits of z-level code.

Well, good luck with it. I'm looking forward to playing it again once the z-levels are in.

[azmodean]

I mean if you're serious about the discussion, Wikipedia is never a reliable source.

Considering the fact that no one has cited a source other than wikipedia, this is evidently not a serious discussion

[Greiger]

Buckshot is bigger than birdshot.  Citation: I saw a broken shotgun stock once.

[Tnx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell#Buckshot
On second look, it's [Citation Needed], but no one seems to be disputing it.

I mean if you're serious about the discussion, Wikipedia is never a reliable source. It gets some things right, but the etymology of birdshot vs. buckshot is probably missing / not the full story.

Care to enlighten us?

[duckman]

Speaking of shotguns, I found a Kel-Tec KSG. Based on the hulls lying all over the place, I'm going to guess that the second tube doesn't use the mods you've installed for some reason.

[i2amroy]

So in "Baker's Remarks on the Rifle", published first in 1805 it includes this list of standard sizes:

Buck Shot, large - 0.388"
Buck Shot, small - 0.349"
Grape, for musket - 0.318"
Swan - 0.266"
Goose - 0.231"
Duck - 0.207"
B.B. - 0.183"
B. - 0.157"

This looks like a pretty clear case of "buckshot" originally being "buck shot" and "birdshot" being a combined size range of several types of various bird shots. It's a simple case of something that was once commonly used to hunt a specific animal being mashed together into a single word, no apparent tricks there. (Note: I'm not saying anything about hunting practices now, I'm talking about practices hundreds of years ago; it's irrelevant if you don't use buckshot to hunt bucks anymore, it's only important that they once did.)

[TheBronzePickle]

You do, in fact, generally use buckshot to hunt 'bucks' and other medium to kind of large game animals, and birdshot to hunt birds and other small game. Buckshot hits hard enough to take down a decent-sized animal quickly, while birdshot's large pellet count mean that it's easier to hit a small, fast-moving creature with something. Slugs, the third common option, are useful for big game, like moose and smaller varieties of bear.

Buckshot would probably be the best option for hunting humanoids, especially zombies where heavy trauma is really important.

[Werdna]

Speaking of shotguns, I found a Kel-Tec KSG. Based on the hulls lying all over the place, I'm going to guess that the second tube doesn't use the mods you've installed for some reason.

I've been using one for awhile, but I can't figure out how to load/switch between tubes.

[Aseaheru]

Loading is just spamming R, and switching is F.
Rather, it normally is

[duckman]

The second tube should load as long as you either have another type of ammo to (r) load into it or are at the maximum capacity for the first tube. You can also load the second tube directly by (F) switching to it first, but that's kind of buggy since you don't seem to have a limit to how many shells you can put into it.

[BFEL]

The second tube should load as long as you either have another type of ammo to (r) load into it or are at the maximum capacity for the first tube. You can also load the second tube directly by (F) switching to it first, but that's kind of buggy since you don't seem to have a limit to how many shells you can put into it.

"Why are you moving so slowly Bob? You're literally naked and only carrying that shotgun"
*Zombear Legion attacks*
*Bob fires 7000 shots*

[azmodean]

This looks like a pretty clear case of "buckshot" originally being "buck shot" and "birdshot" being a combined size range of several types of various bird shots.

There seems to be some misunderstanding, "where the name came from" and "the rule of thumb to decide which is which" don't necessarily have anything to do with each other.  It seems pretty likely that Buck-shot is "shot you hunt buck with", especially when it's accompanied with "birdshot" "ratshot" et all.  However that doesn't say anything about where to draw the line between the two.