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[blazing glory]

Are you taking time to aim and make precise shots?

Eh, not really, but the Remington can crit with snap shots.

[I don't actually know but] Armour pierce maybe? It is only half of the other gun.

Maybe, would make a certain degree of sense.

EDIT:

In general the rivtech guns are lighter and smaller than others, at the cost of performance. They make okay backup weapons but not terribly great main guns with a few exceptions.

The Remington gun is actually my main gun with me taking the Rivtech gun for when I run out of ammo, carrying two shotguns is kinda stupid but I'm not yet at the point where I can cherry pick what guns I'm going to take and then have all the ammo I need for it.

I'm just trying to figure out why the Rivtech is worse in this case.

[blazing glory]

Double post is bad but I turn up my nose at Tradition!

Anyways, it's probably not Armor pierce, switched to slugs which also has 8 armor pierce and the results are pretty much the same.

[Aseaheru]

 Sounds like a good time to break out the debug menu

[blazing glory]

Sounds like a good time to break out the debug menu

Not precisely sure what I'd do with it to be honest.

[Aseaheru]

Probably play around with the debug mutations. theres probally one that removes recoil affecting you and the like, and you can spawn mobs, so... Dunno

[IcyTea31]

With a bit more recoil making sustained fire difficult.

If you get into a situation where sustained fire with a shotgun is necessary, you should just run.

The Remington gun is actually my main gun

Well there's your problem. Shotguns are too noisy to use as a main gun; even a single shot will alert every zombie within a very large radius to your location.

I'm just trying to figure out why the Rivtech is worse in this case.

Slug ammo behaves differently from shot. A slug is one big bullet, while shot is many small pellets. I'm not sure if shot can crit at all, which would explain the disparity.


Personally, I would leave the 870 home to be used later in a dungeon crawl where noise doesn't matter, and carry the M120c as an emergency weapon, using a quieter one for general purposes.

[blazing glory]

The Remington gun is actually my main gun

Well there's your problem...

'Cept I'm not really having a problem, I'm just figuring stuff out about guns.

Shotguns are too noisy to use as a main gun; even a single shot will alert every zombie within a very large radius to your location.

And I have enough ammo to kill every zombie that comes along, and when I run out, I have more guns, and my car is nearby.

Sorry mate, I'm not yet at the point of "Paranoid Veteran", if I'm not shooting absolutely everything at all times then I'm probably running them all over with a car, so what if I only have a 30% survival rate past day 5, I have fun doing it, and past that point it becomes a bit easier to survive for a while until I die to Robots and stuff in a lab somewhere.

Slug ammo behaves differently from shot. A slug is one big bullet, while shot is many small pellets. I'm not sure if shot can crit at all, which would explain the disparity.

I wasn't aware of any difference between the two existing in-game besides the stats, at any rate, 00 shot works for critting just as well as the slugs so that isn't the case.

Personally, I would leave the 870 home to be used later...

Home is where the heart is, and keeping it in my trenchcoat works for that.


No offence, but I didn't ask for advice as to what kind guns I should take into battle, I'm pretty well set into my play-style regarding guns and that is using whatever gun I very well feel like, even if taking something smaller would be more practical.

[Adragis]

I just look as cool as possible
Yeah, slugs never did me well either. 00 shot's lovely stuff.
...that's my contribution :L

[Aseaheru]

Slug ammo behaves differently from shot. A slug is one big bullet, while shot is many small pellets. I'm not sure if shot can crit at all, which would explain the disparity.

I wasn't aware of any difference between the two existing in-game besides the stats, at any rate, 00 shot works for critting just as well as the slugs so that isn't the case.

There s way, way, way more than one sort of shot, so the chances of the rivitech caseless shot being the same as 00 is kinda slim.

And, to be a dick, heres all the kinds of shot I can find in the game.

Spoiler: Spoilered, because i'm not THAT big of a dick. I hope. (click to show/hide)

-Standard-
Biardshot
Makeshift Shot
00 shot
Flechette (description reads that its more than one dart, so it counts)
-20x66-
Frag
Flechette
Buckshot (which is probally what you had in the rivitech. Buckshot =/= 00)
-blunderbuss-
Flechette
Shot
-40mm-
Frag
Flechette
Buckshot
-Oddities-
.22 Rat-shot

[Rince Wind]

I really liked the short version of the Rivtech shotgun. Only 2 bullets, but it fits in a pistol holster. Very good backup. But that was some versions back.

[IcyTea31]

.22 ratshot isn't shotgun ammo at all. It's basically a gunpowder-powered bullet-shaped BB, or a badly underloaded regular bullet for a varmint rifle.

[Aseaheru]

There is some ratshot that is small pellets. As in, really small. Just over a millimeter small.

There was also a similar thing in .45, oddly enough. Probably wrecked the rifling.

[teoleo]

what news are coming in the future?

[n9103]

.22 ratshot isn't shotgun ammo at all. It's basically a gunpowder-powered bullet-shaped BB, or a badly underloaded regular bullet for a varmint rifle.

It wasn't a list of just shotgun ammo, but ammo that used shot, in this case meaning multiple sub-caliber pellets.

Buckshot (which is probally what you had in the rivitech. Buckshot =/= 00)

Actually it is.
Buckshot refers to the general size of the target these are effective against.
i.e. In the context of the next smallest group, birdshot: Shot smaller than this wouldn't do enough damage to reliably kill at likely distances. Shot larger than this will do too much damage and destroying the meat, and/or not enough coverage to expect a hit at likely distances.
I'm well acquainted with this, but here's a more verifiable source.

[TheBronzePickle]

Specifically, 00 is a size of Buckshot. Not all Buckshot is 00. There's also 000 and 0, as #1, #2, #3, and #4 Buck, plus Tri-Ball, F, and T. And that's just US sizes.