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[Tawa]

so tempted to make a 'hell on earth' mod now which replaces zombies and such with demons of various types

Rip and tear!

[Sean Mirrsen]

That does beg the question - why are there no fireimmune fire zombies, the same way there are electric shocker zombies? Is it just because they'd burn down all the houses in their path?

Fire immune or fire-spreading? Zombies that cause fires would probably cause huge problems with lag after enough time in the reality bubble. Fire-immune... I thought there were, but I actually didn't look into the code to see if zombie firemen are actually immune to fire.

They'd have to be fire-immune in order to be fire-spreading, so...

Could they be firey without being fire-spreading? I.e. they'd act on the tile they're in as if they were a fire, causing items to burn, ashing the ground, collapsing constructions, spreading heat around them, lighting everything up at night, but not producing actual fire fields unless it's a special attack like the spitter zombie's spit or the shocker's discharge.

[heydude6]

I'm pretty sure zombie fire fighters are fire immune. Well at least they drop flame retardant suits.

Anyway, my idea of fixing the fire exploit would be to make it so that there are no naturally occurring fire zombies. Instead, I suggest that if an entity is exposed to flame, then there is a chance (unless they are fire-proof) that they will catch on fire. When that happens, they will continuously take burning damage and their attacks will burn anything they hit and they will also have a chance to ignite the target.

Now as for the player, the status effect will be applied to their clothing and the player has 3 options to deal with it.

Option 1: Dousing it in water (by jumping into a river or by applying something like a water bottle, or gasoline)

Option 2: remove the offending clothing and throw it away before the rest of you catches fire

Option 3: Stop-drop-and-roll and maybe you'll be lucky

So what do you guys think of this idea? I think it's a good idea since it prevents you from meleeing a zombie to make it stay in the fire (if you try that you'll get burned), and it also makes it so that it's only a chance that the zombie will be ignited meaning that you can't just spam your lighter willy nilly. Another thing I should mention is that in its current state you don't have to worry about fire spreading and causing lag.

I myself won't be able to code it since I don't know anything about C++ (besides how complex it is).

[Dorfs R Fun]

so I just started playing this game a couple of days ago. Decided to try the mall cop mall start. A suicidal npc with a flamethrower in the adjacent room burns down the mall. Playtime: less then one minute because of death by fire. Second attempt I started next to a wall that was already on fire before I played one turn. Playtime: less then one minute because of death by fire. Third attempt I run out of the mall immediately due to new found fear of fire and hid in the first house down the road. Found some nachos and yogurt on a table. I picked lactose intolerance as a trait but ate nachos and yogurt anyways. Vomited and saved game to play later.

10/10 will play again.

[azmodean]

<Everyone is catching on, everyone is catching on, everyone is catching on fire>

I tried doing the thing where setting zombies on fire caused them to spread it, in practice the fire itself spread much faster than the zombies.
However, attacking a zombie that is on fire should at least burn you a bit, and possibly vice versa.

My plan for the fire exploit is to make fires take longer to set so you can't do it in combat, at least not trivially.

[BigD145]

Unless you're using dry pine needles, it takes more than 6 seconds to get a fire going.

[dwarf_reform]

Another exploit is.. (don't look! Once you know you can't un-know!)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Start a fire, lure zombies near, and then throw any (single bullet of) ammo into the fire, where it'll explode with the force of a grenade.. The github crew is already aware of this and will eventually lodge it in reality (where a burning bullet harmlessly fires its casing in a random direction, while the heavier shot stays harmlessly in the fire.. For now, though, you can turn .22 rounds into high explosive, unless they've changed it recently..

But yeah, I love me some CataDDA :| I'm thinking, as the game progresses, we'll be able to totally remove zombies and insert any enemies we want.. In the end it'll be a World Simulator, and modders will be able to make it into vastly different things..

Strip out all the buildings and start on a Caveman mod..
Strip out all the supernatural stuff and add in a realistic police system and create that "controversial" serial killer rogue (or flip it around and play as the cop/detective)
With enhanced illness transmission it could be a viral outbreak sim, modern-day vampire sim
Dino mod is already there for fun
Strip out all NPCs and zombies and just have fun in an empty Langoliers-style world (you can already do this)
With the current in-game digging mechanics it might end up possible to recreate SimAnt :O

You can already rid the world of living humans and zombies, and lower the city size down so that "civilization" is barely represented.. Add in the ability to play as non-human characters and the potential goes up by magnitudes.. Just surviving the cataclysm as a dog would be an amazing ride all by itself!

The possibilities are too much!! :| My favorite playthroughs so far have been when I (cheat)spawn myself a folding bicycle and a military rucksack and just bike :> Never settle down or set up a base, only stop for sleep or gathering, and just cover ground on the ol' bicycle

[BigD145]

Rollerblade all the streets!

[Aseaheru]

Would lighting things on fire vary in time, so that if you light tinder or, say, fuel soaked cloth it would be faster than trying to light a table?

 And if not, would the new times affect lighting fuses? Because otherwise, I can see Molotovs being next to useless.

[UristMcDwarf]

lighting a fuse isn't the same as lighting a full blown campfire, so I'd imagine they'd go unchanged.

[TheBronzePickle]

where a burning bullet harmlessly fires its casing in a random direction, while the heavier shot stays harmlessly in the fire

I would hardly call that harmless. Bullets detonating out of their gun is still a pretty significant threat to everyone around the fire, because high-speed projectiles are still high-speed projectiles whether they're made of brass or copper-coated lead. Plus, I'd bet that most casings still weigh enough that the 'recoil' on the bullet would send it along at a decent pace, too.

[Sean Mirrsen]

where a burning bullet harmlessly fires its casing in a random direction, while the heavier shot stays harmlessly in the fire

I would hardly call that harmless. Bullets detonating out of their gun is still a pretty significant threat to everyone around the fire, because high-speed projectiles are still high-speed projectiles whether they're made of brass or copper-coated lead. Plus, I'd bet that most casings still weigh enough that the 'recoil' on the bullet would send it along at a decent pace, too.

Between the explosion not being constrained by the gun barrel, and the lesser mass/worse aerodynamics of the casing causing it to slow down much quicker, I'd say it's not going to be lethal anyway. Not harmless - rather painful, perhaps. But not lethal.

[n9103]

Mobs/NPCs spreading fire is just a bad idea all around, for the reasons others have stated.

Things that go up in a flash (less than 6 seconds for our purposes):

• dry tinder (be it pine needles, bark shavings, palm fronds, etc)
• volatile flammables or flammable gasses
• fuses, gunpowder, other non-inert explosives

As for the harm from a non-chambered round exploding, unless it's something on the order of a .50 Anti-Materiel round, it's not going to be worse than a high-powered Paintball gun (Is this not a thing yet? Seems like the kind of silly thing that would fit in ).
And that's only if you're within a foot or two of it, *and* it just happens to be pointing directly at you. I suppose it could have 2 chances to hit, since the casing could also be pointing at the character (between legs).
Considering the mechanics at play here to make a hit come from a cooked-off round (which should take more than 6 seconds, btw, unless it's basically a furnace) the to-hit of the round should be pretty damn remote.
Also, there should be 0 to-hit for shotgun shells because the casings are made of plastic and will lose all strength before the powder detonates.

Basically, unless it's essentially a grenade, or (on scale with ammunition) a very large amount of heat-sensitive explosives, the results should be underwhelming.

Heat-sensitive explosives, for these purposes, will have a reaction at temperatures no more than 1800deg F.



E:Terms

[Greiger]

Another exploit is.. (don't look! Once you know you can't un-know!)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Start a fire, lure zombies near, and then throw any (single bullet of) ammo into the fire, where it'll explode with the force of a grenade.. The github crew is already aware of this and will eventually lodge it in reality (where a burning bullet harmlessly fires its casing in a random direction, while the heavier shot stays harmlessly in the fire.. For now, though, you can turn .22 rounds into high explosive, unless they've changed it recently..

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Muahaha I remember back in the day when I would use a couple bullets as demolition grade explosives to add additional doors to outside walls in houses.  Was glorious. I even recall making fuses out of tiles full of splintered wood so I could place the bullet with precision and have time to get away.  Always needed to have a fire extinguisher handy after, but it worked quite well.

Re: Fireman zombies and fire.   Actually this may be a fluke but I threw a Molotov at a bunch of zombies bunched up on a noisy car just yesterday.  It included a fireman zombie and the fireman zombie died in the small fire just like everything else did.  If they are supposed to be immune to fire, it's not working as of 3333

[philae]

Turrets now explode like grenades. This makes them very dangerous in labs - if you open a door and shoot it, you'll be in the blast radius.