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[Greiger]

I would think maintaining the thing that allows you to see to craft(or uncraft) would be a key part of the crafting process.  My dad had a bad car lifting jack that would slowly drop over the course of 10 to 15 minutes.  We always put some additional braces so it couldn't drop too far but those braces were not high enough to do any work comfortably, so it just became part of the job to occasionally jack the car back up again whenever working under it.

Would it be a difficult task to code the game to check your light source and add ingredients to the crafting process based on that light source?  If the light source is a fire, maybe add some 2x4s to the ingredients required list based on how long the crafting takes and just keep the fire burning at full strength until the crafting is done?   Probably wouldn't work for specific cases like sunset, but it sure as hell would be a better solution than depending on that incredibly unreliable continue crafting prompt.

[Damiac]

"Just do a tedious workaround to resume the tedious grinding you were busy doing"

Once you start a task the only thing to interrupt it should be the user or getting attacked. Also the game should automatically eat and drink during the work, nobody passes out from starvation while working on something in real life.
This is the thing people complain about with "realism" resulting in gameplay which is more frustrating than reality. In real life any work I put into taking something apart stays done. Of course in real life I get bored and play video games sometimes, when I want to escape the boredom and frustration...

Until this feature can be implemented in an actually realistic and non-frustrating way, why not take the route of better gameplay? Just take a shortcut, either remove the wait, and increase hunger and thirst directly, or find some other concession that makes stuff like this not actually stupid.  Then, if realism is really important, work on the realism aspects so it can be implemented realistically, including dealing with the frustrating and tedious aspects (i.e. auto eat, allowing you to pick up where you left off, etc...)

[TheBronzePickle]

'nobody passes out from starvation while working on something in real life'

I wouldn't say nobody.

[deoloth]

nobody passes out from starvation while working on something in real life.

You would be surprised.

[pisskop]

Im not opposed to a negative trait that prevents eating or such when crafting, but the way we do it now is tedium for the sake of it.

not even; its just an example of ui lagging behind the times.  archaic code os archaic.

[Random_Dragon]

If anything issues and PRs should be raised about it. I mean I make a reminder post about here because I'm an ex-contributor, so...

Then again, the last time someone pointed out why this is a problem on github, it got closed due to Kevin getting triggered.

[duckman]

Fire
nonzed Evolutions
Dogs
Sckitszo

HARDTOSHOOT seems a bit excessive for the smaller dogs. Doesn't that flag make smokers(MEDIUM) harder to hit with ranged weapons than squirrels(TINY)? Not only that, but small dogs aren't actually smaller than bigger breeds.

And speaking of things with that flag, giant rattlesnakes should probably be shrunk down a size since "three times as large" as a normal timber rattlesnake isn't exactly "roughly human sized" like "MEDIUM" seems to imply from all the other things that size.

[Egan_BW]

"You're hungry! Eat something?"
Y: pause to eat (opens up the menu where you can choose what to eat) / N: don't eat and continue crafting / Q: Stop crafting

If you pick Y you just choose something and get dropped back into crafting automatically. The UI side of this doesn't seem super hard to implement.

The light source problem might be harder to solve, because there's lots of kinds of light source. If you're using a car headlight powered by a battery and the battery runs out, it'd be hard for the code to know that the solution to this is to go and turn the pedals on the generator or whatever. This would be easier to solve by just making you stop, and giving you a "partially crafted X".

[se5a]

I feel like a half made object would be easier to implement than that.
you'd have to do the same for light and other disruptions, with a half made object it doesn't matter. just pick it up and continue after you've dealt with whatever it is. hell go sleep then finish it if you wish, or craft for only x hours then continue it another day.

[Sheb]

Even for the food, maybe you have food on you, maybe you're feeding from that barrel of protein sludge in your car of whatever.

I think making a partially made object might be the easiest way: upon starting to craft, you immediately get a "partially built X (1/Y)" where Y is the total number of turn needed. Then you can craft on it in several sitting.

Although I'm not sure how you'd implement that for say, car parts that take long to install.

[IcyTea31]

Maybe "phase" system would be better than raw turns required. Basically, have Y in your function tick whenever you finish a phase which can be any number of turns long, and if you're interrupted, you lose progress down to the last competed phase. After all, if you're cooking and you let your water cool, you'll need to reboil it before you can continue, same with forging and letting your metal cool down. The downside of this would be the amount of work required to put this sort of system in every recipe, whereas the raw turns number system would be a blanket solution.

[Sheb]

It'd be interesting to look at how exactly the "resume crafting" is implemented at the moment.

[Egan_BW]

Make sure that the partially crafted object inherits any decay timer from the finished project, so you can't have a whole stack of "partially crafted cheeseburger 9/10" that will last till the end of time.

[kulik]

Make sure that the partially crafted object inherits any decay timer from the finished project, so you can't have a whole stack of "partially crafted cheeseburger 9/10" that will last till the end of time.

The McDonald's do.

[Random_Dragon]

So instead of fixing the awful mess that is lighting interruption bullshit, everyone on github is busy bitching at each other over two idiots pushing arbitrary nerfs to spears.

The entire discussion had been basically almost every contributor thoroughly dismantling the PR author's only stated logic for this change. Coolthulhu has already weighed in on the discourse thread that this is a bad idea but he NEEDS to actually come out and say it openly on the PR page. Likewise...a large chunk of commenters are against it.

Kevin being one of the few people supporting this change does not surprise me in the least.

From http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=10444.msg244402#msg244402:

The project isn't a democracy, no number of "me too"s or votes is going to change something we've decided on, however we listen to peoples opinions and arguments for or against things. A good reason to make a change has more impact than any number of votes.

Reminder that Kevin has become the driving force behind a change making it into the game despite SEVERAL good reasons being proposed as to why it shouldn't be done, along with a long list of sensible alternatives.

To quote Coolthulhu:

Nerfing things by making them break faster is a great way to annoy the players without actually balancing much.

Damage nerfs, speed nerfs, crafting difficulty - all fine for balancing an early weapon.
Durability of a fast-crafted item made entirely from common ingredients - achieves nothing except annoyance.

If actual, meaningful nerfs can’t address the problem, the problem doesn’t exist.

Fab 2 wouldn’t change anything, it’s trivial to get. I was thinking more like making it require an actual knife (or at least scissors/screwdriver) as opposed to a piece of generic scrap hammered (with a rock) into a rough spike.
As long as you can mass-craft the spears, changes to fragility are just placebo - really annoying placebo.

I'm going to be blunt: Kevin has his head up his own ass, and refuses to listen to the voices of reason.

I already predict that if Kevin actually makes a response to this, it's going to basically be "you're the one with your head up your ass" or some accusation of hypocrisy that is itself hypocritical. Because "no you" is the height of response to criticism.