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[scrdest]

Yup. That was the source of the horror and terror in lovecrafts works - "The things we know about the universe might be wrong! We might need to rethink our values and morals! No, it can't be true! Say it isn't so!"

Also stuff like alien creatures wanting to wipe mankind from the earth

You're misunderstanding the Mythos. The Old Ones are indifferent to mankind; in the same way that a land developer is indifferent to the creatures of a bulldozed forest.

Well, in Dunwich Horror they are said to want to drag Earth away from the Solar System and wipe out humanity, sorta.

[Bohandas]

Yup. That was the source of the horror and terror in lovecrafts works - "The things we know about the universe might be wrong! We might need to rethink our values and morals! No, it can't be true! Say it isn't so!"

Also stuff like alien creatures wanting to wipe mankind from the earth

You're misunderstanding the Mythos. The Old Ones are indifferent to mankind; in the same way that a land developer is indifferent to the creatures of a bulldozed forest.

Well, in Dunwich Horror they are said to want to drag Earth away from the Solar System and wipe out humanity, sorta.

Is this in the book or the movie? I remember something like that being said in the movie, but not in the book.

[scrdest]

Yup. That was the source of the horror and terror in lovecrafts works - "The things we know about the universe might be wrong! We might need to rethink our values and morals! No, it can't be true! Say it isn't so!"

Also stuff like alien creatures wanting to wipe mankind from the earth

You're misunderstanding the Mythos. The Old Ones are indifferent to mankind; in the same way that a land developer is indifferent to the creatures of a bulldozed forest.

Well, in Dunwich Horror they are said to want to drag Earth away from the Solar System and wipe out humanity, sorta.

Is this in the book or the movie? I remember something like that being said in the movie, but not in the book.

Book. Wilbur Wright's diary.

[Criptfeind]

There are plenty of creatures in lovecraft stories that are antagonistic to humanity, and some of them are aliens.

[Redzephyr01]

Nyarlathotep is pretty antagonistic towards humanity.

[wierd]

Not really. His intentions toward humanity only extend to how he can sacrifice them.

[Criptfeind]

Well, I think a lot of times a issue you'll run into with lovecraft is that although his stories are connected to each other and in theory take place in the same universe, a lot of stuff isn't quite the same, and a lot of things (including at times Nyarlathotep) he puts into stories just as whatever plot piece or hint or whatever he needs or wants to maintain the air of the story. Basically, the whole thing is fragmented and not necessarily even suppose to weave one whole tapestry of a world, so when you try to look at them like they are suppose to all work together, they just don't fit perfectly. Nyarlathotep is an example of this. I believe in one story he actually does destroy the world and the humans in it. But in another, he, as you said, has no interest humanity or the world except for how it can further his larger goals. When you have differences like that you can't quite really put one as 'right' or 'wrong'.

[Spehss _]

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Also stuff like alien creatures wanting to wipe mankind from the earth

You're misunderstanding the Mythos. The Old Ones are indifferent to mankind; in the same way that a land developer is indifferent to the creatures of a bulldozed forest.

Well, in Dunwich Horror they are said to want to drag Earth away from the Solar System and wipe out humanity, sorta.

Is this in the book or the movie? I remember something like that being said in the movie, but not in the book.

Book. Wilbur Wright's diary.

Yeah, that. I'm sure Yog-Sothoth himself doesn't care one way or another, but the Wrights and the alien creatures Wilbur mentions summoning from the other realms are antagonistic to people.

[BoredVirulence]

Well, I think a lot of times a issue you'll run into with lovecraft is that although his stories are connected to each other and in theory take place in the same universe, a lot of stuff isn't quite the same, and a lot of things (including at times Nyarlathotep) he puts into stories just as whatever plot piece or hint or whatever he needs or wants to maintain the air of the story. Basically, the whole thing is fragmented and not necessarily even suppose to weave one whole tapestry of a world, so when you try to look at them like they are suppose to all work together, they just don't fit perfectly. Nyarlathotep is an example of this. I believe in one story he actually does destroy the world and the humans in it. But in another, he, as you said, has no interest humanity or the world except for how it can further his larger goals. When you have differences like that you can't quite really put one as 'right' or 'wrong'.

But isn't that the point? You just can't understand it, they're indecipherable.
Its a mirror of a primal fear, fear of the unknown, and his religious views, if anything has some great cosmic power it wouldn't care about us, we're like ants to a sentient sun.

Now I'm not saying things were perfectly planned out, but use of inconsistent plot devices supported a consistent theme.

[GiglameshDespair]

No, lovecraft just didn't try to make a universe. While many of his stories share details, it was not an effort to create a canon.

[scrdest]

No, lovecraft just didn't try to make a universe. While many of his stories share details, it was not an effort to create a canon.

Weeeeell... it's sorta in-between. He didn't want to establish *canon* as modern series have, but it was a kind of an *universe*; basically, the story elements were interwoven between all stories and the differences tolerated so it was more of a mythology thing rather than a canon, think the difference between ancient religious stories and christian ones.

[Xantalos]

It's like the Greek Mythos except with less rape and more tentacles.

[BoredVirulence]

No, lovecraft just didn't try to make a universe. While many of his stories share details, it was not an effort to create a canon.

I'm not saying he did, I'm saying that his inconsistencies, and shared details, coincidentally reinforce a point he did try and make.
Happy accident, and a good excuse not to make things make sense.

[wierd]

It's like the Greek Mythos except with less rape and more tentacles.

No. Dagon is TOTALLY into the rape.  Possibly WITH tentacles.

There's also the extended universe fanfiction from other authors with Shub Nigguroth...  Plenty of edritch nookie happenin if you really want it.

[Xantalos]

Well yeah there's definetely rape if you look for it, just less than what I've seen in Greek myth.