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[kcwong]

What level are you supposed to be to take on the Android saga?

I am playing an Earthling, completed Frieza saga with scores Z, A and A with relative ease at level 20, but then got completely owned by Cell. He would block all my attacks, escape move, counter or evade my throws and beat me to a pulp.

Grab the stuff you need to make the "I'm neither Kami nor Piccolo now" Z-soul and you're basically set for the rest of the game. That's how I did it with my Namekian at least, and with an Earthling's ki regen you can make even better use of its abilities.

If that's the Z-Soul I'm thinking of, apparently they nerfed the shit out of the regen rate in the last patch.

I think I might've done something really stupid... I skimmed over the mission objectives. Talked to a co-worker today, he said that the mission was to prevent a corrupted Mr. Satan killing Cell... not the other way around.

I will try that out later today...

[BFEL]

What level are you supposed to be to take on the Android saga?

I am playing an Earthling, completed Frieza saga with scores Z, A and A with relative ease at level 20, but then got completely owned by Cell. He would block all my attacks, escape move, counter or evade my throws and beat me to a pulp.

Grab the stuff you need to make the "I'm neither Kami nor Piccolo now" Z-soul and you're basically set for the rest of the game. That's how I did it with my Namekian at least, and with an Earthling's ki regen you can make even better use of its abilities.

If that's the Z-Soul I'm thinking of, apparently they nerfed the shit out of the regen rate in the last patch.

Yeah, they did.
Still really good though, lets you use guerrilla tactics or sometimes even go full-on war of attrition.

Though it kinda sucks, because now I'm trying to get all the time chasm shards and OMFG THE DIFFICULTYNESS
"Hey you wanna play more Time Patrols? Well then go try for Ultimate successes on the hardest Quests we can come up with! HAVE !FUN!"

[kcwong]

What level are you supposed to be to take on the Android saga?

I am playing an Earthling, completed Frieza saga with scores Z, A and A with relative ease at level 20, but then got completely owned by Cell. He would block all my attacks, escape move, counter or evade my throws and beat me to a pulp.

Grab the stuff you need to make the "I'm neither Kami nor Piccolo now" Z-soul and you're basically set for the rest of the game. That's how I did it with my Namekian at least, and with an Earthling's ki regen you can make even better use of its abilities.

If that's the Z-Soul I'm thinking of, apparently they nerfed the shit out of the regen rate in the last patch.

I think I might've done something really stupid... I skimmed over the mission objectives. Talked to a co-worker today, he said that the mission was to prevent a corrupted Mr. Satan killing Cell... not the other way around.

I will try that out later today...

Turns out my co-worker was incorrect. The first Android saga mission is indeed to protect Mr. Satan and reduce Cell's HP. I managed to do it this time though, but only barely. I fired Weekend from far away three times when Cell's busy with Mr. Satan.

The rest of the mission was completed mostly because of the NPCs were able to hold their ground. Gohan was about to die when I connected the last Weekend, and he still stole the last hit from me.

Then I met Cell in town, and he said he won't be my master until I'm level 30, so I guess I am 6 levels lower than expected.

[BFEL]

Oh, since I totally forgot, If anyone has the Xbox 360 version feel free to friend me for a game (gamertag is BFEL, same as on here)

[kcwong]

I wonder what the underlying formula is... a few levels ago (around 24 I think) I tried kid Gohan's mission to defeat Frieza. He blocked all my melee attacks, countered my guard breaks and dodged my throws.

Now after farming parallel quests and dragon balls I am level 35, and Frieza is no longer able to do the same. I can charge him head-on and start a combo, he won't be blocking.

I didn't play any differently other than putting more points in melee strike... is this all just based on your level? A formula that checks your stats against your target's?

[kcwong]

I wonder what the underlying formula is... a few levels ago (around 24 I think) I tried kid Gohan's mission to defeat Frieza. He blocked all my melee attacks, countered my guard breaks and dodged my throws.

Now after farming parallel quests and dragon balls I am level 35, and Frieza is no longer able to do the same. I can charge him head-on and start a combo, he won't be blocking.

I didn't play any differently other than putting more points in melee strike... is this all just based on your level? A formula that checks your stats against your target's?

I found out why... it's a special state called super armor. With it you won't flinch when getting hit, so what the AI did was simply hitting me back during my combo.

Frieza and Cell as well as super Saiyans start with it in some PQ quests. The only solution is to deal enough damage to tear through it, so when underleveled your option is to run away and use super/ultimate ki blasts.

I heard the Super Guard skill (that I already have) is supposed to give you the same status...
Edit: No, super guard only holds you in-place while blocking everything for a few seconds. Just got Giant Storm though, and it's pretty good. People say Blue Hurricane is OP, but I am unable to land a hit.

[BFEL]

Super Armor is basically the devs saying "we have reached the maximum actual difficulty we can manage, so have some bullshit to make it harder instead"

You can sorta replicate the effects with either Perfect Cells Z-soul or that one Pose that makes you not stagger.

Also, I'm pissed now that I found out Ginyu's Body Change isn't usable in PQs. GAH MY TROLL STRATEGY IS RUINED.

[Shadowgandor]

Super armor is just a state you need to get used to fighting. I'm not sure how Ki-users deal with it, but as a melee fighter, I vanish away right when they attempt to combo you and keep punching them while they are facing away from you. If they start to turn around again, prepare to block and vanish away once they start punching again. Repeat this process until they become vulnerable. I personally use the drain stamina grab attack, so once they become vulnerable I drain them to regain my stamina, but I'm sure there are other ways to deal with it. It only becomes a problem when you're fighting multiple opponents and one of them ('cough'goku'cough') is a ki-spamming whore while the other chases you around the field. That combination is nasty :/

[kcwong]

Yeah, I've tasted how nasty super Saiyans can be. SSJ1 Gohan is offering a Cell Games mission, where you have to solo through multiple stages of two opponents. I made it to SSJ1 Gohan and Goku, then died a very swift death.

Giant Storm is such a beastly skill... Piccolo gave me his 1 vs 3 mission, and 2 Giant Storms took care of them all. Now I have Cell as my master and got his All Clear move. Things are looking up again.

[BFEL]

Super armor is just a state you need to get used to fighting. I'm not sure how Ki-users deal with it, but as a melee fighter, I vanish away right when they attempt to combo you and keep punching them while they are facing away from you. If they start to turn around again, prepare to block and vanish away once they start punching again. Repeat this process until they become vulnerable. I personally use the drain stamina grab attack, so once they become vulnerable I drain them to regain my stamina, but I'm sure there are other ways to deal with it. It only becomes a problem when you're fighting multiple opponents and one of them ('cough'goku'cough') is a ki-spamming whore while the other chases you around the field. That combination is nasty :/

Problem with that is that even post patch you still end up reappearing right in the enemies foot half the time. And yeah, FUCK double supers.

As for "Giant Storm" is that Nappa's skill? I have literally never hit ANYTHING with that.

[nenjin]

Yeah, I've tasted how nasty super Saiyans can be. SSJ1 Gohan is offering a Cell Games mission, where you have to solo through multiple stages of two opponents. I made it to SSJ1 Gohan and Goku, then died a very swift death.

Giant Storm is such a beastly skill... Piccolo gave me his 1 vs 3 mission, and 2 Giant Storms took care of them all. Now I have Cell as my master and got his All Clear move. Things are looking up again.

I know which mission you're talking about. It's the kind of annoying part about PQs: they're often tuned to multiple players. So trying to go after them solo at the level you unlock them is like....GFL. The AI on SS Goku/Gohan is tuned so high, sometimes I can't even get a punch in before they've completely wrekt my shit. Your only real hope is to overpower them, which means you need to be quite beast.

I think those PQs that start from a character are designed to be a lot more challenging. I remember the PQ from Teen Gohan to beat Frieza, that you mentioned, is orders of magnitudes harder than normal, due to super armor, which he doesn't seem to have once the mission is beaten and you can replay it.

At least once you beat it, at any rating, it goes into the normal PQ list and you can take AI allies along.

[BFEL]

Yeah, the ones from characters are the WORST.

And its even more terrible once you beat the time patrols and find out THOSE are the missions that they put the time chasm shards in. UGH.
And even when you can bring allies the AI for allies is utterly useless.

Seriously, if anyone has the 360 version I would appreciate the assists.

[nenjin]

I dunno, every time I need them to NOT kill something, they seem to whoop ass.

[Shadowgandor]

Kid trunks has the worst pq. First you need to beat Yamcha, tien, piccolo, krillin and 18, which is pretty doable. Then you need to beat hercule, videl and buu, which is easy.
But then you need to beat SSJ vegeta, SSJ kid trunks and SSJ future trunks. That one was a bitch but I managed to beat it fairly consistently, but after that you need to defeat SSJ goten, SSJ goku and ultimate gohan. I can't do anything there. When I use an ultimate, they just spam beams at me, killing me without being able to do anything about it. It's crazy how difficult the game gets at that point

[kcwong]

As for "Giant Storm" is that Nappa's skill? I have literally never hit ANYTHING with that.

Yeah, it's Nappa's Ultimate ki blast, he flips two fingers up to blow up a city in the anime.

You charge up with auto-block, then a big explosion occurs at the feet of your target sending him flying. The skill will track even if your target's moving. It's a fairly big AoE.