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Urist Sonuvagimli

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Storing booze in large pots
« on: February 25, 2015, 07:19:27 am »

In DF .34 it was easy to store booze in rock pots. All I had to do is to set stockpile's MAX barrel to zero and order the still to take from Large Rock Pots stockpile.

However, this doesnt seem to work in this version (40.24). Brewing is done in pots, but not hauled to drink stockpile, sitting in still and clutering it. Is there any way to store pot of alcohol in stockpile? thankyou.
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Astrid

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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2015, 09:49:53 am »

Yep, allow barrels in the stockpile.
Or move them individually by hand if you dont want to.
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Urist Sonuvagimli

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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2015, 09:57:52 am »

Thanks! It worked. I just had to add MAX barrels
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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2015, 10:31:35 am »

I read this and re-read this and can't understand what you guys are saying.

You can have a pot-only booze stockpile, with no barrels? Or you can't do this?
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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2015, 01:26:06 pm »

you cant.

stone pots and wood barrels are technecally the same for the game. Both store liquids.
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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2015, 03:19:33 pm »

They are treated the same in stockpiles, but not entirely interchangeable.  I believe you still need to use wooden barrels to process sweet pods.  Earthenware pots are also unable to hold liquids (but can easily hold food) until glazed. 

Also, be very careful when making pots out of rock.  Most won't be heavy enough to cause problems, but a cobaltite/cinnabar/pitchblende pot filled to full will be a nightmare to haul.  Cinnabar is about 16 times heavier than standard wood and at least three times heavier than other stone.  For storing booze its generally not a huge deal, but a cinnabar pot filed with 100 units of meat will be a bitch to haul.  If you are making rock pots, keep an eye out for jet.  Its approximately the same weight as earthenware, but doesn't need any glazing.  Its over twice as heavy as wood, but still half that of other stones.  Due to the stupid way dwarves pick up stone/wood for jobs, you can just disable all other stones from the stocks menu.  First, make all the other stone items you need now out of anything else (tables, chairs, coffers, etc).  Then mine out jet and disable all other stone types from the stocks menu.  With mutliple crafters workshops, churn out 100 or so rock pots.  Then, disable jet/re-enable all the other stones and resume other masonry projects (expanding dining room, making more doors, coffers, statues, etc). 

At the very least, disable cinnabar/pitchblende/cobaltite when making pots.  They are all at least double other stones in density.  They have pretty colors though... much better to make into constructions ^.^ (bright red/purple/deep blue). 

If you have it, fire clay doesn't need glazing and is still significantly lighter than stone.  This only becomes feasible if you have a volcano/already pumped up magma.  However, if you are interested in trading with the elves you can still make ceramic pots.  Its so much fun to use wood to both make, and glaze, earthenware pots when selling to the elves.  Oh! Ceramics they say.  Oh! shiny glaze they say! Oh, its not made of wood! They say.  Then they hand over far more money for the increased price of the container while my dwarves snicker endlessly. 
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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2015, 03:30:47 am »

- Barrels cannot be replaced with pots in the construction of a couple of workshops that require barrels exclusively.
- If you use FDHack a plugin enables you to specify the material to use when constructing things with alt-a followed by m after having specified what to construct, and this works with repeat orders as well, so you could set up your jet pot production on repeat.
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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2015, 11:02:04 am »

Can I make wood pots, and it should work like rock pots then?

I like the Fire Clay not needing to be glazeds.

I usually have a barrel/large pot stock pile near my Still and Kitchen, so that can helps control where your food and drink will be stored.

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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2015, 03:49:58 pm »

Yes, wooden pots work like rock pots, apart from being lighter, subject to destruction by fire (but why let fire in that far into your fortress?), and probably gnawing by vermin like demon rats. Featherwood is very light, though...
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Niddhoger

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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2015, 04:47:43 pm »

Aye.... featherwood pots are very nice!  The point of rock pots is that they don't need glaze and can be freely traded to hte elves (too bad we can't have rock bins >.>)

However, the reason I said clay pots are only feasible with magma is that you often use charcoal (wood) to fuel your kiln.  You are taking a unit of wood to make a pot out of clay when you could just make a pot out of wood in the first place.  Its mostly for trading with elves.  Ofc, if you then have to use ash (tree) glaze to make those earthenware pots hold booze its even worse.  Especially since booze is a terrible trade item- no need to worry about selling to the elves.  Otherwise clay is mostly a waste of time over wood/rock pots (stoneware is almost as heavy as rock!).  Clay (and stoneware) are also much more valuable than wooden/rock ones- particularly if you start glazing them.  Building 100's of stoneware pots (or glazing earthen ones) can easily push your wealth up too soon. 
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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2015, 11:54:24 pm »

The point of rock pots is that they don't need glaze and can be freely traded to hte elves (too bad we can't have rock bins >.>)
Bins don't need to be sold. Only containers with fluids or seeds.
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Re: Storing booze in large pots
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2015, 01:37:03 pm »

Due to the stupid way dwarves pick up stone/wood for jobs, you can just disable all other stones from the stocks menu.  First, make all the other stone items you need now out of anything else (tables, chairs, coffers, etc).  Then mine out jet and disable all other stone types from the stocks menu.
The easier way would be to made a stone pile that forbid any other type, and link it to give to your craftsdwarf. Then he won't take anything except from there, and if you want to change stone type for any reason you could either make a new pile and unlink the previous (so you can easily switch back later) or make your current pile collect the new stone.

Whenever I have so much stone it will take forever to dump, I switch rock blocks, crafts and pots to that. But I'll take a closer look at the rock densities in the future, that's something I had overlooked.

EDIT: Btw, do dwarves have any particular problems transferring from a barrel stockpile to a no barrel pile? They're probably best for getting meat and fish out of the butchers and fishery quickly, but I haven't phased them in until I see 8 pages of stockpile jobs settle down. But will they refuse to take the barrel and transfer items one at a time, or will they bring it and pour into a pot?
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