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[utunnels]

I was turning those useless steel bars into statues, when I notced a half-smashed stone door in my basement. So I got an idea: what if I rebuilt it using steel? Would those FBs still target and destroy it?

[4maskwolf]

I was turning those useless steel bars into statues, when I notced a half-smashed stone door in my basement. So I got an idea: what if I rebuilt it using steel? Would those FBs still target and destroy it?

Yep.  Nothing but constructions and bridges (and artifcats) are immune to [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]

[utunnels]

Well, too bad. It seems those FB are more insterested in destroying the doors than entering my fort, even if I keep it open.

[Astrid]

Idea, place a Support(construction) somewhere between door and basement, have it support tiles of floors above without anything else supporting the floors in question. Watch the FBs stupidity taking action.

[Naryar]

Material in doors only changes value and resistance to fire/magma. Steel doors aren't tougher than wooden doors, although I assume they will be in a future update.

Artifact doors, however, are invulnerable.

[4maskwolf]

Material in doors only changes value and resistance to fire/magma. Steel doors aren't tougher than wooden doors, although I assume they will be in a future update.

This is actually objectively false, BUILDINGDESTROYER:1 will destroy wooden doors but not steel ones (at least according to the wiki).  So there is some benefit in not having wooden doors.  not much, but some.

[PatrikLundell]

True. Steel doors block "weak" building destroyers. However, stone doors do so as well, so while steel is better than wood, it's not better than stone.

[Niddhoger]

My favorite trap is to set up a couple of stone doors with layers of magma between them.  Troll smack door... new door! SMACK! /rushes into lava

[PatrikLundell]

Hm, good to know that trick works. I've wondered if it would, or if they would run away when magma comes flowing (since my embarks tend to be devoid of reasonable magma hauling capabilities [no iron, not even goblinite], I've tried water instead of magma, and a pressure plate activated by water to create a collapse on top of the titan or werebeast doing the destruction, but no candidates have showed up to test it).

[Niddhoger]

The trick is to have another valid target behind the first door.  If you just put lava behind a door, the troll will likely run off to its next target.  However, if you put another visible target behind the lava (say, another door) the Troll will immediately see the 2nd target to smash and start pathing to it.  This will cause them to plunge right into the lava while trying to smash the door. 

All glass is magma proof, btw.  Several stone types are as well... its actually very rare to embark on an area that is 100% magma-safe material free.  If all else fails, you can request magma safe stone/metals from the liason.  Traders of all types tend to show up with sand bags for some green glass.  There are about ~20 magma safe stones (marked in game!) as well as a few magma-safe ores that can be enabled via the "stones" tab for mechanism use.  Casseterite, galena, sphalerite, native platinum can all have their ores turned into magma-safe mechanisms. 

[utunnels]

How about gem windows? They will fall in one hit.

[Larix]

There are a few items that simply get "toppled" in a single action, without damaging the item. I've seen it with statues, gear assemblies and querns (the latter only because i had an artefact quern and thought i could use it as FB bait. Not so effective.).

[PatrikLundell]

@Niddhoger (any relation to the snake?):
I know of magma safe materials, but the problem is that the only way to move magma to an overland trap with a reasonable amount of effort is to carry the magma in a mine cart, and you cannot make one out of glass or stone. My attempts to use nether-cap mine carts have failed as well, since pushing a cart through magma to scope some up apparently is considered to be "throwing into magma", causing the cart to vanish immediately without a trace, and a loading station where magma is pumped onto the square containing the cart [works fine to load water into carts] causes it to be severely damaged at the least.

[Sanctume]

If you can put magma between 2 doors, you can put magma on more than 1-z.  By having 2+ z worth of magma, you create pressure--thus having a magma cannon.  As soon as that first door is broken, the magma will shoot out burning and not giving the destroyer time to run.

[Nikow]

Idea, place a Support(construction) somewhere between door and basement, have it support tiles of floors above without anything else supporting the floors in question. Watch the FBs stupidity taking action.

No, FBs and other building destroyers are not longer patching to supports.

Material in doors only changes value and resistance to fire/magma. Steel doors aren't tougher than wooden doors, although I assume they will be in a future update.

Artifact doors, however, are invulnerable.

It's not entirery true, building destroyers looks like need more ticks to destroy metal doors (tested on some wood doors, rock salt doors and iron doors, wood doors was bashed very quickly, stone doors keeped FB for some time, and metal doors stands 50% longer than stone doors, sadly, i do not have numbers and i can not find thread with it)