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[Criptfeind]

Yeah. Although that said, something is screwy with swarm warp. I'm doing very long warps but only getting a few hours of stuff. I don't know if there is a bug or something in the game, but something's wrong with warp (which might make it worse then clone) so I dunno.

Edit: Seriously, I just did like a 2 day warp, and got about ten hours of stuff. Something is broken.

[Demonic Spoon]

I've been converted over to the Swarmwarp side myself personally, less irritating when you buy a bunch of larvae production upgrades and the max jumps.

EDIT: Man, Swarmwarp must have been really broken back when it restored energy as well. I can just imagine it...

Only use swamp warp after your first ascend. Before that, clone is far better due to how many larva it gives, and the lack of mutagen boosting larva production. However, post first ascent, swamp warp IS hands down better.

I know. I'm on my third Ascension.

Yeah. Although that said, something is screwy with swarm warp. I'm doing very long warps but only getting a few hours of stuff. I don't know if there is a bug or something in the game, but something's wrong with warp (which might make it worse then clone) so I dunno.

Edit: Seriously, I just did like a 2 day warp, and got about ten hours of stuff. Something is broken.

Have you considered making a bug report? After confirming it. I find that changing the velocity format to hours or days helps to calculate this sort of stuff.

EDIT: I just checked myself to confirm and my swarmwarp is working fine, so don't know what the problem on your side is. 1 day and 8 hours warp gave me 1 day 8 hours worth of production.

EDIT2: Also the way I make sense of the Swarm's ridicolous numbers is that they're sort of like Worm's Entities in that they invade all the parallel realities of a planet as well, if that makes sense.

[miauw62]

I just got hive networks to the larva wall, and holy shit. I swarmwarped forward six days and now my neural networks aren't being used for construction they're producing shittons: EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY MEAT UNITS HAD A SPEED UPGRADE AVAILABLE. o-o

[Lord_lemonpie]

Does anyone know if there's anything after Neuroprophet?

[miauw62]

Yeah, lots. Takes a few ascensions and a lot of swarmwarps to get there, though.

Also, is it just me or does mutagen from expansions become rather negligible later on? I thought it was catching up, but then my meat production skyrocketed as said in my last post.

[GP Trixie]

Ok so my opinion on this game is that it is a big scam. The grow is actually a pretty slow completely linear grow. It's just that it's the exponent that grows instead of the number itself. Another equivalent way of seeing this is we just see all the grow through a log scale.

But even knowing it's just a scale trick, I still like my useless exponential grow. I'm actually at 1e506 meat. I’d like to know the name of this number but numbers name stop working after 1e250. I got a swarmwarp of 3 weeks, and It will be probably more than a month after the next ascension. I think I figured out the optimal strategy, or close enough at least.

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After a while the game get pretty cyclic. You do mostly the same between each ascension, and if you do it right I think it’s always worth it to ascend whenever possible. Until the first ascension there is not much strategy, you basically click anything that moves. I ascended at ~10 million mutagen which means 2 mutation. The n°1 best mutation I think is Lepidoptera. It means double energy, and spells is what will make most of your production. It also increases ascension cost by 60%, but as you get +100% energy it’s actually the only mutation that get you to ascend faster.

 At this point I’m not too sure what is optimal as a second mutation. I went meat but it didn’t changed much. Clone was the best spell here but maybe it is possible to use swarmwarp with the swarmwarp mutation.

Things start to get serious when you get 3 mutations. Then you need the Lepidoptera mutation, the swarmwarp and the bat. These last two are insane when you combine them, because they multiply. I got about a day worth a swarmwarp at this point. It’s a good time to use the free respect too, as it will be useless later once you get every mutation. And it should happen in 4-5 ascension at most.

Then once you got these after every ascension the strategy is always the same. Get to nexus 5 and a decent amount of Lepidoptera bugs. I get 2000-3000, after that I think diminishing returns start to kick in too hard. I think Bats are pretty useless as they needs much more time than what you need to ascend to pay for themselves. At this point you just spam swarmwarp whenever you have the energy.

Another important thing to do is to use the twin upgrade efficiently. After a while the pattern is easy to notice. You need to consider your 3 last level of the meat pyramid. You can get the twin upgrade for the 2 before the last. The optimal is to level them as soon as possible, as long as the 2nd level doesn’t produce more of the 3rd than what you can directly buy of the 3rd with larva. Doesn’t seems too clear written like that but the pattern is really easy to see after a while.

Anyway after that you should get every non-useless mutation, I don’t think the order mater too much. If you do it right you should get pretty close to a linear grow of the exponent.

[Neonivek]

The problem I hit is that I just don't care enough to play it anymore.

Because what happens is to play it properly I need to use Swamp Warp one after the other and each time I use one I need to go through all my production and see which needs upgrading, what I need to buy, and all that jazz.

It gets really tedius to do it the 20-50-100 times I need to use it in order to advance...

[Demonic Spoon]

Ugh, endless iterations of Overmind n+1 after you finally reach Overmind? Disappointing. Yeah, kind of lost interest in this. And I only have like 5 achievements left to get too.

[Xantalos]

Aww, it just goes like that? Dangit. I mean, I'm still going because I'm only at neural clusters still, but yeah dang.

[Demonic Spoon]

Aww, it just goes like that? Dangit. I mean, I'm still going because I'm only at neural clusters still, but yeah dang.

Yup. I mean, I knew overmind was the last one, but I kinda of hoped I'd reach a pattern break once a got it, needing to do something different to advance instead of the same stuff over and over again ad nauseum. Such a fucking cheap copout.

I mean it's like the cheapest copout possible, I wasn't expecting this at all.

[guessingo]

with most of these games, they run faster if you close your browser. there tends to be lag when doing calculations with the browser open. I noticed this some in this game. not as much as in others.

[Xantalos]

KITTENS

[NobodyPro]

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[Xantalos]

KITTIES

This thing is literally a catsplosion simulator now.

[IronyOwl]

Gods damn it. Not again.