Does it bother anyone how few lynch candidates there are?
OSG:Ok, so I know unless some of the lurkers come out of the woodworks to vote for TDS, I'm going to get lynched. So, I'm going to go ahead and post my reads for analysis when I flip town:
This as well. "when I flip town" is another instance where he is guilt-tripping us. Or that is how I saw it. And he is also giving up in this sentence which i find anti-town.
Giving up is not scummy or a mistake, as you seem to imply elsewhere, its a natural human reaction to trying to deal with a situation they view as impossible. Secondly, how is he giving up in this? If Peradon was town, (I know he was, but you believed him to be scum) how would he have behaved differently?
4mask:I much as I think origamiscienceguy is scum, the fact that TDS conveniently disappeared for 24 hours before the lynch and let Peradon get lynched has been bugging me a LOT.
Have you asked him to explain this?
Persus13: How many bops do I need to give you to get you to actually play? Also, please explain why your vote was on flabort at day end.
None, although if you could do my homework and take care of my RL that would be nice. I also started this post at 1:50 PM EST, so mafia takes an hour to post most of the time. I voted flabort because it looked like he had missed a question I had asked him or was deliberately ignoring part of my giant post addressed to him. It stayed on him because I thought I had time to make another post before day end when I didn't. If I had been able to post I probably would have switched to Peradon, because some things early on D1 seemed scummy even though they were mainly newb type stuff.
TDS: Why were you not around for the end of Day 1?
Deus Asmoth:... since my vote is my ONLY weapon in this game and I just used it poorly...
I think this is the source of at least some of my unease. Why say this when you can easily get a weapon other than your vote, or was your intention to imply that you hadn't done exactly that?
Don't rely on the power game, it can easily distract you from that scumhunting that is the main focus of the game still. 4mask almost won last game by doing town's scumhunting with flabort and town's over reliance on powers to kill townies (and a few mafia). While a sudden kill from TolyK saved the day, it could have backfired badly if it wasn't based on scumhunting. Besides kill is basically the only real weapon in the power arsenal.
[DA: explain to me how our day one lynch helped town?
We know that Pera was town and can examine the cases put against him, which I am trying to do with Origami. Note the difference between that and DS's death, which gave no information to work with. The wincon is just a side effect. Town is not limited to lynching as we have seen vigilante exists.
We've seen one kill, which was more than likely done by the scum. Is your plan for the game to refuse to vote and hope that we have enough vigilantes to out kill the scum?How would mafia gain advantage if I refuse to lynch a town?
Unless you know who's mafia and who isn't, this is a stupid question. If you do know who's scum and who isn't, this is a stupid question because you're admitting to being scum. Varee.
Varee has always advocated for No lynch, so its not to surprising this time.
Flabort:So, tell me, how is tunneling supposed to catch scum and be town-sided? Don't be vague about it either.
Shakerag already answered this, so I think its safe for me to answer too.
Tunneling is something that if the tunnel is directed towards scum, can be very useful. Otherwise it is either something scummy or just misguided. I caught my first scum because they were tunneling majorly and viewed their target as scummy over some ridiculous stuff. However, some people's playstyles are based on tunneling people intensely (ToonyMan's Toony tunnel, and mastahcheese), so it really depnds on who is doing it and how valid you think their target is. I don't view it as inherently scummy, but it can be is basically what I'm trying to say here.
Varee: At this point you are at best a doctor or Philanthropist, because there is no-way anyone is believing that you are town. At worst, you are a scum who's buddy is a networker and you've been swapping powers via changeling to farm points or whatever. The day 1 changeling gave you enough points to buy free- or prolific or something to use cleanse and copycat.
If, in the case you're a doctor, there are 12 players and you need 6 alive at day 4, or at game-end. There are two dead already, both town. If there are 4 anti-town players out there, then you need them and only them to die to end the game and still win; or, 3 or less deaths by day 4. We've already seen that at least one player possessed a kill, so it's unlikely for you to complete that goal. If one more town dies, then your only hope is to protect, protect, protect until day 4.
If, in the case you're a philanthropist, which you deny, then if you haven't completed your goal so far then you have to find some other strategy; this is your best hope for being town-aligned in our eyes.
That leaves 4 very antitown 3rd-party possibilities, with the thief being potentially the least antitown of those, and the possibility that you're scum. Counting the doctor case as half-town aligned, and the denial of being a philanthropist as the same, then you have a 1/7 chance of not being detrimental to everyone (6 third party+scum=7 possibilities). I'd take those odds,
Do you remember the last BYOR where Varee just advocated No Lynch and offered to build houses for people? And Varee turned out town?
Varee:DA: explain to me how our day one lynch helped town? The wincon is just a side effect. Town is not limited to lynching as we have seen vigilante exists. How would mafia gain advantage if I refuse to lynch a town?
We learned Peradon was town. We learned that OSG lynched him for dumb reasons. The last time town started vigging people, they all were fooled by scum. Everyone votes for a lynch, only one man vigs, so we get more information from a lynch than one man's kill. Lynching gives us information, more information than any other way, so that early on the alignment of people doesn't matter as much. THis is why we tnd to only do No-Lynch on MYLO.
hector13:Persus: seemed to be chainsaw defending TDS here. Given my scum-read on TDS, 's bad. This is like... closer to null than scum, but the very slight scum-lean places them here.
That was a mix of trying to understand Flabort's attack and some defending of TDS. So yes, you could say I was chainsaw defending TDS here.
Tiruin This is the second (possibly third) game in a row where you have no content day 1. KYOSN you were Mafia, and in Paranormal your lack of contact helped ensure a town loss. Replace out or actually play.