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Author Topic: Choose-Your-Own-Mafias - Day 13: Unlucky For Some - SCUM B TEAM WIN  (Read 109048 times)

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« Reply #285 on: February 24, 2015, 05:24:04 pm »

He's at the very bottom....
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« Reply #286 on: February 24, 2015, 05:32:57 pm »

lol, I told you I always miss someone.
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« Reply #287 on: February 24, 2015, 05:39:57 pm »

Peradon

Well, everyone is saying that Shakerag is just extremely sarcastic, so I guess I'll Unvote. But still, I think he needs to stop being like that.

I have to agree that TDS isnt adding much to the game. I think that he might have posted that huge post to make it look like he's active, but its really just composed of quotes, so it really doesnt add up to much. So, Vote TheDarkStar.

Responding to quotes is a fairly normal part of mafia; a post with quotes and responses/questions is a good thing. It's also my posting style.

Why are you so passive? You have multiple posts where, rather than adding anything, you just say that you agree with the ideas of everyone else.

Yeah I agree that its kind of a stretch.

Well, everyone is saying that Shakerag is just extremely sarcastic, so I guess I'll Unvote. But still, I think he needs to stop being like that.

I have to agree that TDS isnt adding much to the game



TDS: He isnt giving detailed posts, and that bit about OSG dodging my question was odd to say the least. Either he's scum, or he just isnt into this game yet.

Why are you so vague about whether I'm scum or not? You're acting like you want to avoid blame if I get lynched.

hector13:

TDS - Seems to have misinterpreted a lot of questions ask to them, the nonsense about Origami not answering the question (I think he answered the question about as fully as anyone can in this game) and then voting for him. He also unvoted Origami and then... voted for him again, in the same post, which is filled with FoS's (one for Origami too). Why so paranoid TDS? I would be voting, if not for my flaws. Propah scum-read. [/geezer]

I voted for OSG because I finally got what he was saying. I later voted for him because he did something else scummy. I also had a massive headache and couldn't format posts very well.

Origami, I don't understand your logic. Why would is it scummy to reveal my mask colour to someone who attacked me?

Also, Peradon, I voted for TDS (or rather, kept my vote on them) because he was attacking Origami, and then the post in which he unvoted, FoS'd and then re-voted Origami, which... I can't get my head round the logic in doing that.

I don't understand the US part, seeing as he never actually voted for me... and my vote was on TDS since the start of the game.

I've said why I had odd post formatting above. However, is it actually something scummy or is it just a posting style? If it's scummy, why?

Reaction voting is when you vote someone who finds you scummy or who is scumhunting you. Leaving an RVS vote where it is for those reasons is essentially the same thing.

OSG:

Here is my readlist:

Scummiest
TheDarkStar: As I've said in more detail earlier, his first and so far only benefit to the town was attacking me for an illegitimate reason. It seemed that he was just trying to look like he was doing something. In other words, active lurking.

Hector13: A bit iffy on you, you said your layout to everybody as if to encourage them to attack you. So I'm thinking you are lying and are trying to catch everybody in a self-protect trap. For all I know, you may have been the one deathsword tried to kill, but that is a bit of a stretch.

Shakerag: I recognized the sarcasm, but I still feel that sarcasm is inherently anti-town since it isn't benefiting anyone.

Peradon: Haven't seen anything blatantly scummy out of you, but I would like to know where your "gut feeling" is coming from. Last time I played a game and someone had a "gut feeling" they were godfather.

Varee: I can see why you want to go no-lynch, but that doesn't explain your complete lack of
scumhunting.

Tiruin/Persus13: not enough information.

Deus Asmoth: You haven't posted much, but from those posts, you seem interested in finding scum.

4maskwolf: best scumhunting I've seen in this game so far.
Towniest

Response to your reads: You say that I've done nothing after discounting everything I've done. Technically true, but as meaningless as "If you don't count the snow, there's no snow is Boston right now."

Why do you think that Hector is scummy for revealing his role when there are masks?

What did Deus Asmoth do that makes you think he wants to find scum? Doesn't that phrase apply to most people here?

Can you quote the scumhunting that 4mask has done? Why is it so much better than anyone else's?

The last game I played with him, a vengefull mafia game, he didn't do so well as the scum. He may just be trying to fit in more now.

My ally was the godfather and up for lynching (which would have been an immediate loss) so I started playing like a jester in that game to get myself lynched rather than my ally.

Reads:

4maskwolf: Town lean because he is scumhunting.
Peradon: Scum lean for very passive play and not really adding much to the discussion.
Shakerag: Acting like Shakerag so far, so null read.
Varee: Wants a no-lynch. Third party/scum lean, but not as strong as my other reads.
OSG: Scum lean for his reaction to my scumhunting.
flabort: Null read for now; he hasn't really done much.
Hector13: Slight scum lean, but he hasn't done that much so far.
Tiruin: Null read due to lack of posts.
DA: Null read due to lack of posts.
Persus13: Null read due to lack of posts.
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« Reply #288 on: February 24, 2015, 06:05:57 pm »

origamiscienceguy:
I am sure that nobody, Persus13 included, would enjoy being killed before they got to do anything. He said he would be back today sometime, which could be after the grace period ended.
That's technically true ... but your altruism feels a bit odd to me.  Persus13 could be scum after all, and now you're helping scum make sure they have their actions in. 
Reasons for suspecting TDS
And were you going to provide these reasons without being asked for them? 


4maskwolf:
Shakerag: I call it like I see it.  When someone makes seven posts in a row that do nothing to further the game, with their only useful post being their first, it certainly perks up my ears.
Ehh ... I didn't see much that really caught my attention as a whole looking through those links of yours.  Do you really think that is anything out of the ordinary on D1?  Would you say that you often do/would call out that kind of behavior D1?
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Peradon:
Shakerag: First off, I dont think sarcasm should ever be used in mafia.
I was going to write a really sarcastic, antagonizing reply (without sarcasm tags, gasp!), but I think the issue has been beaten to death enough already.  You don't think it should be used.  I do.  We'll agree to disagree. 


TheDarkStar:
Shakerag: Can you explain this more? Is this RVS or serious?
Your question is ... phrased in an interesting way, but I think I'm gleaning your intent.  It's a serious question.  Why?
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Do you mean that 4mask is active lurking or are you talking about his accusation that I was active lurking? Does it make you suspicious of 4mask?
I think I answered this one already.  The latter, for the record.  I think part of his case on you has merit, but the active lurking accusation feels weak to me, so it's enough to make me at least raise an eyebrow in his direction. 


Varee:
Pretty much what everyone else has been saying, but I want to emphasize that while everyone can get information and reveal results, we can't 100% trust what the players say.  When someone is lynched and the roleflip is revealed, that is mod-confirmed info and is something concrete for everyone to work with.  If you ever play a game with obfuscated roleflips, you will quickly appreciate all the games in which they are not.


flabort:
I could call one of these quotes buddying peradon and the other chainsaw defending shakerag, and I doubt anyone could disagree.
I would.  From my perspective, I see an acknowledgement, and someone calling out another player's bullshit case.  The former is weaker, but the latter (especially with 4mask's follow-up post) has stronger reasoning behind it. 

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I'll remember, in the future, if anyone votes you with bullshit reasoning to not say anything about it, for fear that it may look like I'm chainsaw defending you.
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Tiruin:
...Given the strikethrough it seems you're new to this.
That actually made me laugh.  Thank you.

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« Reply #289 on: February 24, 2015, 06:47:31 pm »

Just want to say that I'm trying to catch up on this. It kind of got away from me due to prioritizing Paranormal while I was on and some other stuff. I promise a proper post tomorrow.
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« Reply #290 on: February 24, 2015, 07:00:28 pm »

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It could very well just be your playstyle, but I don't really understand why you would feel the need to unvote someone, FoS them and then vote for them, all in one post.

I don't understand the logic behind doing that, because you must have initially felt that he wasn't scummy enough to get lynched, and then decided that maybe actually he's suspicious enough to potentially be voted, and then changed your mind back to Origami being scummy enough to be lynched. You also used the end of the spoilered part as your reason for voting Origami, even though you only FoS'd him in the spoilered bit. I can't see a town motive in any of that.

WoT as well; not scummy in itself, but it's not exactly making everything concise. If you're not going to make the effort to format your post, for whatever reason, you probably shouldn't post. Assuming, of course, a town motivation.
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« Reply #291 on: February 24, 2015, 07:04:13 pm »

EBWOP: Even by your definition of reaction voting, I didn't give you a reaction vote. You weren't scumhunting me, nor did you appear to find me particularly scummy (from what I can tell) so I'd like to know where your logic in that lies.

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« Reply #292 on: February 24, 2015, 08:58:19 pm »

I'm writing a post up right now, but I think I went overboard on the links again.  ::)
At least I'm only using them as citations. Expect it in less than an hour.
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« Reply #293 on: February 24, 2015, 09:36:22 pm »

Peradon

Well, everyone is saying that Shakerag is just extremely sarcastic, so I guess I'll Unvote. But still, I think he needs to stop being like that.

I have to agree that TDS isnt adding much to the game. I think that he might have posted that huge post to make it look like he's active, but its really just composed of quotes, so it really doesnt add up to much. So, Vote TheDarkStar.

Responding to quotes is a fairly normal part of mafia; a post with quotes and responses/questions is a good thing. It's also my posting style.
I'm not saying your quotes are scummy. I was saying that your lack of content in that post was... disturbing. You had lots of quotes, not much content. My thought is that you were using the huge post full of quotes to hide your active-lurking.
Why are you so passive? You have multiple posts where, rather than adding anything, you just say that you agree with the ideas of everyone else.

Yeah I agree that its kind of a stretch.
I was agreeing. Thats not scummy, is it? If I dont have anything to add, I may not add anything. Is that a problem?
Well, everyone is saying that Shakerag is just extremely sarcastic, so I guess I'll Unvote. But still, I think he needs to stop being like that.

I have to agree that TDS isnt adding much to the game
Are you even reading context? I was saying that Shakerag was scummy due to his sarcasm. Everyone was saying that he's normally like that, so I unvoted because my original reason for my voting for him was no longer valid.

I seriously doubt you can misunderstand this many posts. I think you're panicking and trying to deflect attention from yourself.

TDS: He isnt giving detailed posts, and that bit about OSG dodging my question was odd to say the least. Either he's scum, or he just isnt into this game yet.

Why are you so vague about whether I'm scum or not? You're acting like you want to avoid blame if I get lynched.
I dont think I'm being vague. The truth is you arent giving detailed posts. This was my main basis for your scumminess.
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« Reply #294 on: February 24, 2015, 09:59:44 pm »

Response to your reads: You say that I've done nothing after discounting everything I've done. Technically true, but as meaningless as "If you don't count the snow, there's no snow is Boston right now."

Why do you think that Hector is scummy for revealing his role when there are masks?

What did Deus Asmoth do that makes you think he wants to find scum? Doesn't that phrase apply to most people here?

Can you quote the scumhunting that 4mask has done? Why is it so much better than anyone else's?

1. The only person that you actively went after before I started to call you on it, was me. If you saw my post analysis, all you did before was respond to questions, ask questions that sounded like advice for yourself, and ask rvs questions.

2. Hector said what happened to him which revealed his mask to whoever targetted him. I later realized that I was mistaken (I mixed his one reveal with deathsword's)

3. I meant that he scumhunted and asked questions that were useful in doing so.

4. He has inquired about Hector13 among others this is one example:

4mask might I inquire why my question on the booby-trap power garners a scum-read from yourself?

Had I asked about another specific power, would it receive the same response? If not, why?
You asked about it in your first post of the game, without having mentioned it during signups as a "hey, this may be broken", which wouldn't be so bad except then made it seem like the power was a big deal overpowered ability when I asked you about it.  Your question was also about how it would affect our play, which seems oddly specific to ask if you don't have the ability.  In theory you could have brought my attention onto you by asking about another power, yes, but the killing powers are the ones that catch my attention the most, followed by what I call the rolefuckery powers (power swap, power steal, curse, and similar).
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« Reply #295 on: February 24, 2015, 10:03:32 pm »

Note: Generally I see the uninformed majority as being socialism and the informed minority as being capitalism, just because of the way the game works.
But I think this set-up is very cool because it flips that concept on it's head; the scum/informed majority become socialism (sharing resources) and the town becomes capitalist.

So we're getting to reads lists today. Alright, I am with that. It's a shame NQT isn't playing to make a reads-aggregate analysis; I guess I'll have to do that.

Most Scum
The Dark Star: Man, I don't know how you managed to top the charts of so many people. My own reason for finding you scummy is first he leads us to believe he got changeling'd and lost his original powerscitation, but then took it back citation (I could mention this, but every one else already has). But his attack on OSGcitationcitation, which seemed very narrow minded (See also: tunnelingcitation).

Shakerag: Still a joker/shakeragcitation. Missed my question to everyone, so I reasked itcitation, and his answer was less than most; I felt I got more information from his joke answer to my joke question. Par for the course, I guess, as was the way he worded his vote on Peradon in the same post. I have mentioned before that I don't like the sarcasmcitation aspect of his meta, which sort of makes him one of my two always-scum reads. However, one thing that I can actually say is scummy and not part of his meta is tunnelingcitation. This post shows him exiting the tunnel, though

Peradon: I guess he's active. His interaction with hector at first seems odd, but is only natural considering they've played together. I can't figure why everyone keeps going back to the same "I was hoping you would answer that for me" buisness,citation  I don't remember if he answered my questioncitation, even if it was an ultimately pointless question. I do understand the fact that people keep accusing him of asking how to play towncitation, since it's an easy thing to do by mistake. The thing that speaks to me is how he asks TDS why OSG was dodging the questioncitation that he himself, peradon, had asked in the first place, indicating he was satisfied with the answer when TDS was not. His reaction to shakerag's hostile nature is also a lot like the first time I played with shakeragcitation, which isn't useful but lets me see his point of view better. I do have to say, though, that once he and shakerag clash he starts to tunnel a littlecitation. I think his bad rep so far this game might be due to how often his name comes up.

Persus13: Only two meaningful posts. First he adresses a poor case and a newbie, and asks some RVS questions, and second he extends and does more or less the same thing. Nothing bad to go on, but so little to go on at all.

Tiruin: Do I want to believe her response to deathsword's answer to me?citation Not really, but it's hard to tell. She has some speculation on powerscitationcitation, which does little, and little elsecitationcitation.

Varee: What feels like a trap? Honestly, I don't know. Varee is nice and active, engaged niceling in RVScitationcitation, but the push for a no-lynch is oddcitationcitationcitationcitation. And lengthy, based on the number of citations.

Hector13: As pointed out by others, it's a little odd he asked about a specific powercitation, but more odd that he mentioned scum being limited with it. He's still a typical newbiecitation, willing to learn and all that but his posts are fluffy and insubstantialcitationcitation, a condition which I'm still guilty of from time to time. His new flawcitation is almost convienient timing, if he were bussing before; but from a town perspective, it's just a really big pain. Neutral read.

Deus Asmoth: Nothing out of the ordinary. Maybe a clash with Peradoncitation, maybe some rather short postscitationcitationcitation, but his early posts feel pretty normal and he admits that he is having trouble playing two games at once. Oh, yeah, and didn't know about the changeling being distributed; possibly due to a simple trait, which would explain TDS getting two copies.

4maskwolf: Second highest post-count. Jeeze, almost as many as OSG. He explains himself well, while being consise, which is a trait I admirecitation, but is only a meta trait. There's only a couple bad things I could say about him; he seems pretty determined to get TDS lynchedcitation needed, his objection to Peradon's assessmentcitation COULD be seen as a defense of Shakerag, and I guess at first I found it odd that he was voting TDS when Peradon was his top scumpickcitation, but I realized that it's just because TDS moved down on his list later.

Oragamiscienceguy: Hands down, the most posts in the gamecitation. His theory on Deathsword's death being to frame 4mask is quickly shut down, because honestly it's absured and almost impossible with the mask mechanic, but he admits he forgot it. This seems to be one of his longer posts, an accusation of TDS. In fact, with this post analysis (which 4mask had already analyzed TDS's votes), he looks like he's tunneling. He gives a "too many variables" answer, which is just fine, to peradon and is attacked by TDS for it. I don't have enough time to go through every one of his posts, anyways, so I'm going to say a very, very slight town lean.

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« Reply #296 on: February 24, 2015, 10:10:56 pm »

You make excel sheets for mafia games too!? I thought I was the only one!
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« Reply #297 on: February 24, 2015, 10:23:41 pm »

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Yeah I answered it...
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Well, I would wait until I knew something about who'd behind the masks, but assuming I dont have any info on them, I would pick a random person and see if they post about it.
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« Reply #298 on: February 24, 2015, 10:31:29 pm »

flabort: Your citations don't say what you claim they say. Attack on OSG: A post where I respond to multiple people and where I pressure OSG for a better response and a post where I previously pressured OSG for a better response. Both posts were similar and in response to similar answers. Tunneling: A short post where I responded to OSG and to Varee.

I never claimed I got changelinged. I simply gained two copies of it plus some flaws. I said that I lost two copies of changeling earlier, but NQT has since told me that it was moderator error and that I still have them.

I think I'm going to not participate in RVS in the future. Everyone hates my RVS questions and follow-up posts and I end up getting lynched regardless of how I actually play afterwards.
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« Reply #299 on: February 24, 2015, 11:13:27 pm »

I think I'm going to not participate in RVS in the future. Everyone hates my RVS questions and follow-up posts and I end up getting lynched regardless of how I actually play afterwards.
It wasn't your RVS that got me to vote for you, it was you suddenly voting for me NOT in RVS and giving a terrible reasoning.
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