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[Cheeetar]

*sigh*
Obviously, Peradon didn't keep up his attitude of giving up. Why would he? That doesn't change the fact that he did purposefully make those remarks. I see no way that a town player would purposefully make those remarks in order to benefit the town, which is why I voted for him. In my opinion, if you do an action that has no chance of benefiting town, it is the same as benefiting scum.

What "justification" do I lack?

Remove purposefully- he certainly didn't accidentally make those posts, perhaps by tripping up and flailing his hands on the keyboard and then mouse to press post. He gave us his reads and all the information he could about his powers. You don't see more information to town as benefiting town?

Simply put- scum vote people because they want them dead or think it'll make them look towny, town vote people because they see them as scummy. I don't see a reason for you to have thought he was scummy, so there must be some other motive for you voting for him. (You're scum. That's the motivation.)

[origamiscienceguy]

I said this earlier. In this kind of game, it would be easy for the scum to make a fake claim, because nobody could prove them wrong. That is why his information was not trustworthy in my opinion.

Do you see any way that giving up could benefit the town? cause I don't

[Deus Asmoth]

Again; how does a town player trying to convince people not to lynch him not benefit the town?

[Tiruin]

I'd have to request a possible replacement ahead (though obviously after Persus due to the fact that I -CAN- handle this, but my net capabilities do not agree wholly with me :I).

It is annoying and irritating. It's like being disabled on your right leg, and yet you've the will to climb Mount Everest and you totally know you can do it but most people say 'No.' ...As an obscure analogy here.

[origamiscienceguy]

Again; how does a town player trying to convince people not to lynch him not benefit the town?

At the time, nobody knew that he was town. So that question is irrelevant.

[Deus Asmoth]

Again; how does a town player trying to convince people not to lynch him not benefit the town?

At the time, nobody knew that he was town. So that question is irrelevant.

I see. So, him trying to not get lynched is scummy, unless he's town, in which case it's irrelevant.

[origamiscienceguy]

I am arguing about a much more specific strategy of his. Namely, giving up.

Everybody, I challenge you to find a way that a player giving up can possibly benefit the town.

[4maskwolf]

Oh sweet merciful...

Really?

This again.

This is a circular argument with neither side understanding each other.

[Deus Asmoth]

Origami, I'm going to have to ask you to back up your persistent claim that Peradon gave up on the game, because he didn't. He continued participating in the thread up until he got lynched, which is kind of the opposite of what you're claiming he did. Are you still claiming that a two sentence post that you were just about able to twist into a case was enough of a basis to lynch him over your top scum read of the day?

[flabort]

No more crashes, so I should be able to finish those reads & post them tonight or on the weekend.

Yay!

[origamiscienceguy]

Origami, I'm going to have to ask you to back up your persistent claim that Peradon gave up on the game, because he didn't. He continued participating in the thread up until he got lynched, which is kind of the opposite of what you're claiming he did. Are you still claiming that a two sentence post that you were just about able to twist into a case was enough of a basis to lynch him over your top scum read of the day?

Once I called him out on it, he would obviously stop doing so. Please answer my question.

[hector13]

But he didn't give up. He made an effort to convince people he wasn't scum. The fact it happened after you pointed it out is irrelevant.

[4maskwolf]

URRRRRRRRRRKKKKKK must we rehash this discussion again?  All this leads to is more fights.

I'm gonna go practice my monologue now, you all have fun.

[origamiscienceguy]

But he didn't give up. He made an effort to convince people he wasn't scum. The fact it happened after you pointed it out is irrelevant.

Are you saying that it is irrelevant that he gave up in the first place?

[4maskwolf]

But he didn't give up. He made an effort to convince people he wasn't scum. The fact it happened after you pointed it out is irrelevant.

Are you saying that it is irrelevant that he gave up in the first place?

Yes, yes it is.

Giving up may be anti-town, but it is also anti-scum: a scum player giving up gains no benefit from it that a town player doesn't gain, which is usually nothing.  Giving up is thus a null-tell: while it doesn't help the town when done by town, it doesn't help the scum when done by scum, and thus is an action taken by both alignments only under emotional stress.