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[Broseph Stalin]

That one hasn't been said before, that's great. If anybody's lurking and avoiding making a suggestion go ahead and make it, anything that adds to the knowledge base is good.

[Random_Dragon]

Öndin Abod (Fade Strike)

Okay, I'll admit. I can see this being interesting. Does the attack suffer the multi-attack damage penalty that it would if you made multiple actual attacks, though?

[peasant cretin]

That one hasn't been said before, that's great. If anybody's lurking and avoiding making a suggestion go ahead and make it, anything that adds to the knowledge base is good.

If equipment usage is okay, I'd have added the xploity Zágod Rifot (Grip Block), thoigh these days you won't have to finish with a weapon, creature material dependent.

[leafbarrett]

Öndin Abod (Fade Strike)

Okay, I'll admit. I can see this being interesting. Does the attack suffer the multi-attack damage penalty that it would if you made multiple actual attacks, though?

Honestly, I don't know. I don't have enough thorough knowledge of the DF combat system to tell the difference, and when I first discovered the technique, it was while fighting hordes of zombies, who aren't exactly good at dodging.

[Broseph Stalin]

Arena testing suggests that move is really awesome. You can score a quick shot to the foot or shin while dodging and put the enemy on the ground with a nasty sprain. I'm not sure if it takes a damage reduction as a multi attack but I just took it to the arena and beat a dragon unconscious with it so if it doesn't pack the punch you're looking for I suggest you use a nuke.

[leafbarrett]

Arena testing suggests that move is really awesome. You can score a quick shot to the foot or shin while dodging and put the enemy on the ground with a nasty sprain. I'm not sure if it takes a damage reduction as a multi attack but I just took it to the arena and beat a dragon unconscious with it so if it doesn't pack the punch you're looking for I suggest you use a nuke.

Wow. So I legitimately discovered a thing.

[Max™]

I thought that was a standard thing?

You don't get the multi-attack accuracy penalty if you don't aim a second attack and instead dodge, dodging away from the enemy entirely is ideal when it is a really dangerous foe, or to get room from a crowd, but moving around them is handy in a more even fight.

[Eric Blank]

Wonder if that will help keep you out of the way of bogeymen just as well.

How does the player's and opponents' skills factor into it?

[Broseph Stalin]

Even for an unskilled fighter it's a solid technique. I'll also note that if you dodge AWAY from the enemy they have to come to you to continue the fight. That little bit of breathing room means there's no downside to using a wild attack.

[peasant cretin]

Arena testing suggests that move is really awesome. You can score a quick shot to the foot or shin while dodging and put the enemy on the ground with a nasty sprain. I'm not sure if it takes a damage reduction as a multi attack but I just took it to the arena and beat a dragon unconscious with it so if it doesn't pack the punch you're looking for I suggest you use a nuke.

Wow. So I legitimately discovered a thing.

Yes as an unarmed Kisat Dur technique it is definitely a new thing. Prudent Viper was the first to write about the general idea of multi-attack + dodge away in the "zombies now insanely hard?" thread in Sept 2014. But Prudent Viper was talking about attacking with a weapon. Context for some, semantics for others. Everyone's MMV.

EDIT: -_- Gah, okay so no, this is not a new thing, due to my misreading again. Prudent Viper was talking about unarmed there. But he didn't give it a name.

Even for an unskilled fighter it's a solid technique. I'll also note that if you dodge AWAY from the enemy they have to come to you to continue the fight. That little bit of breathing room means there's no downside to using a wild attack.

One issue is Wild Attack subtracts 1 tick from the PREPARE, but adds *2* ticks to RECOVER making this a 2:5. I guess the question is if you attack in 2 ticks and then your opponent gets his/her attack in as you dodge away, does their attack occur in that 5 tick recovery period?

EDIT: Just to add in, I mention the above because while specifically choosing to dodge away will amplify the dodge roll at the expense of the parry or block roll, recovery dampens things a bit. Does it even out or does the high roll overcome the negative? Might just be needless hairsplitting on my part. Toady mentioned manually choosing a defensive posture causing amplification in DF Talk 21.

[Random_Dragon]

Just now trying out Fade Strike on a brush titan. This is fucking beautiful. owo

[tonnot98]

I also started using fade strike, it works like a charm against groups.

[Max™]

I really thought that was a standard technique all this time.

[Random_Dragon]

I really thought that was a standard technique all this time.

I oughta eat you for trying to yoink this from the gardevoir. o3o

[peasant cretin]

I really thought that was a standard technique all this time.

I oughta eat you for trying to yoink this from the gardevoir. o3o

Max was just surprised. I remembered that multi-attack + dodge came from outside this thread, so that would be more directed to me. I'm fearful of specific dragons, but I feel good odds if you're randomly generated.

That all said, the tactic never had a name and leafbarrett gave it one. (Sorry Prudent Viper).