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[utunnels]

Speaking of stress though, has anyone had weird issues with rain causing too much stress?

Yeah, I used to put their barracks outside in the forest. That is when I began to noticed the stressed dorf.

[unknown zombie]

I am starting to see the same thing.. I have their sleeping barracks inside but I put a weapon rack outside that they use for training (to prevent cave adaptation). They are slowly getting really stressed about being rained on.

[Skullsploder]

I have only had three severely stressed dwarves in my fort, which is aboveground and absolutely plagued by buzzards. What I seem to have done differently, though, is I imported a lot of platinum and was lucky enough to get a skilled blacksmith early on, so I placed masterful platinum statues everywhere and create statue gardens. The "gardens" mean that not only will the dwarf get more of a happy thought from seeing any furniture inside the room's bounds (tastefully arranged), but they will actively seek out the high-value platinum statue when they are idle and look at it. The three stressed ones are all very poor at handling stress, according to their descriptions. The rest of the fort have all engaged in direct combat with undead and lost loved ones, and are still fine.

[Naryar]

I've also has some interruptions and stress and vengeful thoughts due to buzzards in one of my forts. Multiple times.

Who knows, maybe the buzzards will start to compete with giant keas for the role of winged King of Beasts ?

[Burts]

DF2014's dwarves need to be a little less prone to stress and then it will be fine.

"He was horrified when seeing a troll die. He was horrified when seeing the goblin Stozu Hatepants die. He was horrified when seeing the goblin Dostgnosp Evildemon die."

You didn't see him get dismembered, you just saw his rotting corpse.

Not to mention the feeling vengeful all the damn time and stressing them.

Seriously, emo fortress 2014 ? I'm glad of the other updates (well, breeding by touch is meh, but I'm fine with it) but the emotions need a few fixes.

Damn, dwarves have respect for martial prowess and a neutrality towards war and peace, why are they so horrified by the consequences of war ? I would get it if they had particularly high empathy, and positive PEACE values...

That's because dwarves do generally have positive peace values in the game. Atleast their ethics decribe something similar. And generally, millitary dwarves with discipline skill won't get stressed so easily, while normal civilian guys will lose their shit very quickly. People  say that it's unrealistic or whatever for dwarves to get horrified after seeing dead goblins or trolls. I disagree. Alot of people couldn't even stand watching something as simple as a cow get butchered.
Unless you are used to it, violence IRL is something very frightnening. And i like that it's that way in DF. And seeing rotting corpse of anything is pretty gross...


As for your axelord, he might have some negative attributes that makes him get stressed very easily. Put doors and statues and other things that dwarves like EVERYWHERE. There can never be enough doors. Or statues, or chests.

[utunnels]

I don't think so. High discipline only prevents them from running from the enemies. It has nothing to do with stress.

The stressed dorfs all had legendary discipline.

As for his attributes, I don't think he's one of the worst.

unbreakable focus, an unbreakable will, a great kinesthetic sense, a sum of patience and good intuition

About vengeful thoughts, they don't even have to see the buzzards. I'm 100% sure the stressed ones were underground when they got all those vengeful thought spams.


Edit*

OK I see.

"He cracks easily under pressure."

[fearlesslittletoaster]

Yeah, keep those dwarves as far from bad things as you possibly can. They basically only need one or two bad things to happen to them and they just lose it. I will put weak and clumsy dwarves in the military because you can fix that but they MUST be able to handle stress.

[Burts]

I don't think so. High discipline only prevents them from running from the enemies. It has nothing to do with stress.

The stressed dorfs all had legendary discipline.

As for his attributes, I don't think he's one of the worst.

unbreakable focus, an unbreakable will, a great kinesthetic sense, a sum of patience and good intuition

About vengeful thoughts, they don't even have to see the buzzards. I'm 100% sure the stressed ones were underground when they got all those vengeful thought spams.


Edit*

OK I see.

"He cracks easily under pressure."

Keep in mind that it's not only the things that are listed in the screen is stressing your dwarf. It takes months and sometimes years for bad thoughts to go away. And it also takes a good amount of time for the bad thoughts to start kicking in. So it's unlikely that only the "vengeful" thoughts are what is stressing that dwarf. Was there any tragic events that happened to this dwarf, like did he lose some friends or family?

[Urist McWhatTheHellGuys?]

Hard to believe the community is actually trying to save a dwarf. Usually by now someone would be petitioning for him to be tortured to study bad thoughts as a tribute to !!Science!!

[Wheeljack]

Hard to believe the community is actually trying to save a dwarf. Usually by now someone would be petitioning for him to be tortured to study bad thoughts as a tribute to !!Science!!

Well, now that you mention it, we're also lacking the usual 'MAGMA FIXES EVERYTHING' suggestion as well. XD

[vjmdhzgr]

I don't think so. High discipline only prevents them from running from the enemies. It has nothing to do with stress.

The stressed dorfs all had legendary discipline.

As for his attributes, I don't think he's one of the worst.

unbreakable focus, an unbreakable will, a great kinesthetic sense, a sum of patience and good intuition

About vengeful thoughts, they don't even have to see the buzzards. I'm 100% sure the stressed ones were underground when they got all those vengeful thought spams.


Edit*

OK I see.

"He cracks easily under pressure."

The thing there that matters for him getting so terrified is that "getting used to tragedy". what you want is "doesn't care about anything anymore", that's when dwarves can handle destroying a whole goblin army and not get terrified. It'd be kind of interesting if this actually ends up being a potential problem. Now rather then just let your dwarf get used to tragedy from constant goblin killing, you need to give them breaks so they don't go insane until they're fully used to it.

[utunnels]

Hard to believe the community is actually trying to save a dwarf. Usually by now someone would be petitioning for him to be tortured to study bad thoughts as a tribute to !!Science!!

Well, now that you mention it, we're also lacking the usual 'MAGMA FIXES EVERYTHING' suggestion as well. XD

Unless the problem is quite common. I'm playing with a population cap so if I get rid of half of my military, it is not easy to train enough new migrants to fend off next siege.


By the way, the protagonist of this story is recovering.
His stress level decreased to 230k when suddenly...MORE BUZZARDS! The number jumped to 250k and he became oblivious to reality again.

The thing there that matters for him getting so terrified is that "getting used to tragedy". what you want is "doesn't care about anything anymore", that's when dwarves can handle destroying a whole goblin army and not get terrified. It'd be kind of interesting if this actually ends up being a potential problem. Now rather then just let your dwarf get used to tragedy from constant goblin killing, you need to give them breaks so they don't go insane until they're fully used to it.

I wonder how do you do that. The recovering speed is far too slow. When buzzards come and make the entire fortress vengeful, all the efforts are in vain.

[bigcalm]

Yeah, I've been struggling with the same stress problems with certain dwarves.  Some dwarves just are a bit mental!  My notes on trying to chill out various of my dwarves

* Above 250k is where you'll get tantrums, and you really need to act before it gets to this point because once it's gone beyond this, it's really hard to get back down - they start getting annoyed that they've just started some fights and thrown tantrums.
* The worst problem seems to be seeing old body parts.  Some dwarves just really really don't like this.
* The corollorary to this seems to be some dwarves that just go mega-happy regardless.

My solutions so far are:

* Put a wall around your refuse stockpile.  Atom smash any and all corpses that aren't destined for the butcher's shop on a regular basis.
* Any "stressed" dwarf (100k+) is removed at least temporarily from the military and has refuse hauling labour turned off.
* In extreme situations, have a "chill out" zone.  This is an area with 4 rooms - a dormitory, a statue room, a food / booze stockpile and a dining room.  The area can be sealed with a bridge.  Put the stressed dwarf(s) in a military squad (with no uniform!!), station them in the chill-out zone then pull the lever to seal them off and put them off-duty or remove them from the squad entirely and unset all labours.  With time, their stress levels will plunge - "Sulky Asmel" was at 255k stress and is now down at 170k stress after being sealed in for a year now.  He occasionally grumbles about not having a shoulder to cry on, but stress is relentlessly dropping.
** I'm planning a further experiment where I sequester 10+ dwarves in a chill out zone with a barracks/archery range/etc, plus a few potential pets.  Hopefully they'll get positive thoughts from making friends / satisfying sparring sessions, etc.  as well.  I shall report back when experiment is done!

[utunnels]

Another siege. This time I sent the baroness alone to kill those who were not killed by weapon traps and human merchants.
The baroness was another axe lord and she felt nothing while in conflict (though I can't get rid of all those vengeful thoughts).

The stressed dorfs became more stressed but not too much since they didn't see corpses.

[☼!!Troll Fur Sock!!☼]

I'll keep that in mind while designing my first fortress after the big update. Refuse stockpile, butcher's and such places will be as close to the surface as possible with only one entrance. This way when something dies outside, Urist McTroll shouldn't drag the corpse around the whole fortress just to mess with people and no bad thoughts will be generated because the refuse stockpile being used as a shortcut.

Also, there's nothing that a mist generator can't fix.