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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Rolan7]

I *love* confessing.  I'm sorta jealous of Catholics about that
Thankfully there are anonymous places on the internet.

But OW can't excommunicate anyone, he's not a Pap.  Unless the Papal States absorbed New Zealand when I wasn't looking.

[Frumple]

Not like it'd do much, even if he could. US is full of protestant heathens. They care more about the last crap they took than the pope's opinion of 'em. Excommunication means a lot less when there's another (five) church(es) down the street(, each) with a different denomination :V

[Loud Whispers]

Also the Pope is not allowed to question the faith of others since the previous Popes got excommunicated
Anyways this Pope isn't even the real Pope, they're just waiting to bring back Pope classic

[Rolepgeek]

Not like it'd do much, even if he could. US is full of protestant heathens. They care more about the last crap they took than the pope's opinion of 'em. Excommunication means a lot less when there's another (five) church(es) down the street(, each) with a different denomination :V

Reagan can excommunicate plenty of people

[Rolan7]

Somehow I never until now noticed a layer of meaning of Cain murdering Abel:
God was dissatisfied with Cain's offering of crops, compared to Abel's blood sacrifice of fat animals.

Cain didn't offer Abel as a sacrifice to God (except in Old World of Darkness game lore, interestingly).  And lied about it.  But still, I can kinda see the thought process.
"Fine, you want animal sacrifice?  I'll give you the best damn animal sacrifice..."

Almost strange that modern "Satanists" don't follow Cain rather than Satan.  Satan was mostly just jealous of humanity.  They worship the ideal of opposition, which I get, but idunno seems like Cain is better there.  Or honestly Eve, Adam, or even Lilith.

Since Satan is just some angel who I don't even think has free will, according to the non-biblical stories that explain his antagonism and jealousy.  Or maybe he was just jealous of the attention humanity got...  Really though I thought I read angels don't get free will, somewhere.

My favorite interpretation is still the Cathars, though.  Where God is straight-up evil, but Jesus defied him and provided a way for people to escape reincarnation.
Not even joking, by far the most plausible interpretation of Christianity I've ever seen.  It can even explain why God stopped murdering innocents and demanding wars, he was sealed away by Jesus's sacrifice (though I don't know if the actual Cathars went that far).

[Arcvasti]

Really though I thought I read angels don't get free will, somewhere.

From vague memories of Religion class, I'm almost 40% certain that Catholic doctrine has the following to say about angels:

They have free will, up to a point. But once they've chosen, they are incapable of UNchoosing. And so an angel that's "Fallen" stays fallen forever.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The line, as it is, is that angels possess perfect knowledge. Because they possess perfect knowledge when they make a decision it is the only decision they could have come to. Because of this, they cannot change their minds, because the original decision was made with perfect knowledge.

Which is the same thing as not having free will, but you know, religion.

[Frumple]

Near as I can recall the jealousy angle is entirely from extra-biblical sources. The canon texts broadly say bugger all about the adversary's (/adversaries') motivations, so far as I can recall at th'mo'. Beyond that, most modern satanism really has very little to do with the Christian conceptualization(s) of (the) Satan(s). They use the word and some of the iconography, but it's otherwise functionally unrelated. Forgot exactly why they co-opted the title, though, save as a stick to the eye of a major organized religion. Which would have been reason enough given the general ethos of many of the movements, really...

[Putnam]

let's talk miaphysitism/monophysitism/chalcedonianism (is Jesus divine and physical, divine and physical or divine and physical?)

seriously i actually love that division there

[MetalSlimeHunt]

mfw Nestorian master race

[Putnam]

shit, forgot that one, yeah, the one that says that Jesus is divine and physical

[Rolan7]

let's talk miaphysitism/monophysitism/chalcedonianism (is Jesus divine and physical, divine and physical or divine and physical?)

seriously i actually love that division there

I love that there was a very long, strident, almost entirely overlooked division there.
Which nobody seems eager to study now, because the question is...  settled?  Mostly, by the survivors of the bloody Christian on Christian wars?
And I think the third thing, paradoxically both, won?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw

[MetalSlimeHunt]

And Eutychianism, and Monothelitism, and Docetism, and Dyophysitism, and Dythelitism, and Monoenergism, and Subordinationism, and Psilanthropism, and Adoptionism, and Apollinarism, and Arianism.

Fucking heretics.

[MarcAFK]

PTW. 
Edit: oh shit, I thought this was the railgun and spirituality thread, my bad.

[Rolan7]

...  If you find or start that, by all means share a link.