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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Adragis]

how is that in any way a consolation

[Frumple]

Pretty sure from the christian perspective it's the exact opposite from a consolation, since that state largely entails damnation to the religion, with saving people from that being one of the core tenants. So not only is it a tragedy, it's a failure from a spiritual perspective in allowing the unsaved to die.

[Orange Wizard]

I'm bad at jokes.

[Adragis]

A good one would involve a chicken and three crates of whiskey, not sudden crane death.

[Rolan7]

Pff.  Ispil's consolation was funny, and OW's was funny (assuming one realized it was satire).
But yes Frumple you've pointed out the major fridge-logic of Christianity.  I don't blame you, because most people don't seem to get it.

Those who get it, and stay Christian, are fucking terrifying.  They mean well, but they live a horror.

[Frumple]

A good one would involve a chicken and three crates of whiskey, not sudden crane death.

Well. It can involve sudden crane death, so long as it's the crane that's dying. Presumably the chicken ate it, the ravenous little dinosaur bastards.

e:VVV That's the joke, yes. Bird crane not giant metal crane.

[Adragis]

Depends what sort of crane too.

[Flying Dice]

You know, OW, I only just now noticed you wondering about that quote in the OP. I originally posted it (though I don't remember where), but I'm about 95% certain it was deleted. RedKing (IIRC) had it in his sig, paraphrased for the sake of length, for a while, but not any more. I regret to inform you that it's lost to the annals of history, but the good news is that it's not much of a loss -- it was eminently unremarkable, just a metaphor with a bonfire, gasoline cans, and people. 

[Bohandas]

You know, OW, I only just now noticed you wondering about that quote in the OP. I originally posted it (though I don't remember where), but I'm about 95% certain it was deleted. RedKing (IIRC) had it in his sig, paraphrased for the sake of length, for a while, but not any more. I regret to inform you that it's lost to the annals of history, but the good news is that it's not much of a loss -- it was eminently unremarkable, just a metaphor with a bonfire, gasoline cans, and people. 

If you can point me to a file search program that can search inside of .mht and .maff files I might be able to find it.

[TD1]

I've been reading Hume lately, and I quite like his debunking of both the anthropic principle and teleological argument.

To sum it up in his words:

Many worlds might have been botched and bungled throughout an eternity, ere this system was struck out: much labour lost: many fruitless trials made: and a slow, but continued improvement carried on during infinite ages in the art of world-making

[origamiscienceguy]

Hey guys! I'm back. Been gone for a while. Did you miss me?

[Loud Whispers]

The answer to that question origamiscienceguy is grisha5

[Orange Wizard]

It's kinda hard to tell when basically nothing has happened in the thread since August.

[Loud Whispers]

Speaking of which, for the few who haven't heard there was a crush in Mecca that killed 700 people. It's like our Football crush but on crack, apparently these things happen every few years since it's not as safe as it could be
Also Prince Khaled al-Faisal blamed African muslims for the crush whilst just about everyone else said it was more to do with authorities not doing anything smart.

Crushes are weird things, people don't die because it's a stampede, they die because the cumulative force of thousands of people pressing forwards means that the people in the front of the crush have forces strong enough to bend steel (not exaggerating) on their abdomens - all under the Saudi sun. You can't breathe under that. Only way to stop it is to make sure it never happens with strong crowd control and clear paths ensuring safe entry and exit; I wonder why the Saudis haven't taken this more seriously as thousands have died already and thousands more will die needlessly until they do so
A lot of these things happen in Saudi Arabia around choke points like tunnels and bridges or events like the stoning of the devil; their worst event alone killed 1,400 people after they got stuck in a tunnel with no ventilation
Of all the ways to go this is not the best one; honestly it boggles me the sheer scale of death - I would've expected 70 killed not 700

[Bohandas]

Speaking of which, for the few who haven't heard there was a crush in Mecca that killed 700 people. It's like our Football crush but on crack, apparently these things happen every few years since it's not as safe as it could be
Also Prince Khaled al-Faisal blamed African muslims for the crush whilst just about everyone else said it was more to do with authorities not doing anything smart.

Crushes are weird things, people don't die because it's a stampede, they die because the cumulative force of thousands of people pressing forwards means that the people in the front of the crush have forces strong enough to bend steel (not exaggerating) on their abdomens - all under the Saudi sun. You can't breathe under that. Only way to stop it is to make sure it never happens with strong crowd control and clear paths ensuring safe entry and exit; I wonder why the Saudis haven't taken this more seriously as thousands have died already and thousands more will die needlessly until they do so
A lot of these things happen in Saudi Arabia around choke points like tunnels and bridges or events like the stoning of the devil; their worst event alone killed 1,400 people after they got stuck in a tunnel with no ventilation

And yet they keep going there. This tells you pretty much all you need to know about western religion