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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[TD1]

First off, Lucifer was a human king.  The only mention of Lucifer, Isaiah 14:12 on, is fairly clear:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/is/14.html

Only if you forget that 'Babylon' is used metaphorically more often than not.
Generally I'd be very wary about a bible commentary by people who wrote it primarily as sceptics.

And what about a non-sceptic commentary? Either, it will be as biased as all get out. Best just to read and, if you're uncertain, investigate.

[Helgoland]

A non-sceptic commentary I'll read like I read the feulliton: Mostly as interesting literature.

[TD1]

And yet you still claim to be Catholic.

Marx is turning in his grave.

[Helgoland]

Why do you think they're called Marx generators?

[i2amroy]

Totally Relevant:

[TD1]

*hrm*
I think religion is not a societal construct used by the upper classes to subjugate the lower classes.

Quick! To the spinometer!

[Helgoland]

*silence*

He's heard that far too often. But watch this:
"In the fight against the bourgeoisie it is necessary for the proletariat to ally itself with reactionary forces such as the Church. Also English beer is just as good as German beer!"

[TD1]

My friends... we have discovered an energy source more efficient than nuclear fusion.

[Rolan7]

Not only that, but it's pre-weaponized by its very nature!  Such efficiency.

[TD1]

If we want to get maximum whirlage out of his corpse, we should worship his earthly remains.

That should get some good friction steam rising.

[wierd]

Just call him the father of modern fascism. That should be sufficient. ;P

[Helgoland]

Or claim that the Kapital gave you some interesting new ideas for exploiting your workers more efficiently.

By the way, if we hook up Orwell too, the guy in charge of the NSA could say something similar about 1984...

[Orange Wizard]

I love you guys.

[Helgoland]

Aaaaand now I'm thinking about whether orange pornography exists.

[wierd]

Without daring to invoke the terror of internet rule #34, i'll just post this picture of a unique form of citrus (while not an orange, that's a technicality), and let you draw your own conclusions about how possible pornography with it would be.