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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Frumple]

Actually, I think the best part is what blanket acceptance of non-canon texts would mean for groups like the mormons. They'd suddenly have solid grounds for claiming theological weight more or less equal to the bible itself.

It'd be great :V

[Orange Wizard]

Watchers could mean they were, y'know, watching.

[wierd]

LOLOL.

I see what you mean there.

Orange wizard: it uses a capital W on Watchers.  So, I dont think so.

(granted, I have only read the translation, and the translator may have simply been wrong.)

For those interested, the part where the big man himself puts the slapdown on the fallen angels and thier giant offspring can be found here.

www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe018.htm

[That Wolf]

I would like to hear from the 3 people who voted for mushrooms, how about you tell all if us its significance to you?

[SirQuiamus]

...but you were one of those three, right? That leaves only two people.

[i2amroy]

I highly doubt that whoever clicked that was doing so in a non-joking way. (No offense intended if for some reason somebody clicked that seriously).

[That Wolf]

Uhh.... yeah ha ha nobody would take that seriously...

[Helgoland]

First off, Lucifer was a human king.  The only mention of Lucifer, Isaiah 14:12 on, is fairly clear:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/is/14.html

Only if you forget that 'Babylon' is used metaphorically more often than not.
Generally I'd be very wary about a bible commentary by people who wrote it primarily as sceptics.

[Rolan7]

Ideas should hold up under skepticism if they're true, right?
I use that website because it's the King James version, which seems to be the most popular, plus the annotations help me find a place to make my arguments from.  But I do read all the passages for myself, particularly the ones I quote.

I presented my argument for Lucifer != Satan here:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=147792.msg5995861#msg5995861

It's a surprising conclusion, but I think that Isaiah 14 (again, the only mention of Lucifer in the Bible) is clear.  Lucifer being Satan is a widespread misconception, based on the Bible.

[TheDarkStar]

I might as well describe the LDS view of God.

Genesis verse 26
To sum it up, it states god and the multiple other ?gods? Exsist.
"In our likeness"
Another reason to say the bible is the knockoff version of the real thing

Here (and in other similar verses), the LDS view is that it's God and Jesus conversing with each other. Unlike most other Christian groups, LDS people don't accept the idea of the Trinity and instead believe that the Father, Son, and the Spirit are three separate and individual entities who work closely together.

As for the human-likeness of God and spirits, we believe that both the Father and the Son have physical bodies. Additionally, people's spirits look like that person in life and the human-seeming angels actually are the spirits of people who either will live or have already lived. Satan is similar, except he never had the chance to live because he chose to not follow God.

[Descan]

One thing I've always wondered about the whole "Looks like the person," is... uhm, when? In their prime? When they died? Will Morgan Freeman look like what everything thinks Morgan Freeman looks like? Or a young version (google has failed me!)?

[TheDarkStar]

One thing I've always wondered about the whole "Looks like the person," is... uhm, when? In their prime? When they died? Will Morgan Freeman look like what everything thinks Morgan Freeman looks like? Or a young version (google has failed me!)?

I'd assume that it would be sometime in their prime, but I guess different people would be comfortable with different ages.

[That Wolf]

I would stay a child.
Playing my ocarina all eternity making it rain

[Rolan7]

Mark Twain wrote some insightful words about this, in a very clever book about heaven (well, I've only read the first chapter or so...)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

"Well," says I, "come to think, there's something just here that I want to ask about. Down below, I always had an idea that in heaven we would all be young, and bright, and spry."

"Well, you can be young if you want to. You've only got to wish."

"Well, then, why didn't you wish?"

"I did. They all do. You'll try it, some day, like enough; but you'll get tired of the change pretty soon."

"Why?"

"Well, I'll tell you. Now you've always been a sailor; did you ever try some other business?"

"Yes, I tried keeping grocery, once, up in the mines; but I couldn't stand it; it was too dull - no stir, no storm, no life about it; it was like being part dead and part alive, both at the same time. I wanted to be one thing or t'other. I shut up shop pretty quick and went to sea."

"That's it. Grocery people like it, but you couldn't. You see you wasn't used to it. Well, I wasn't used to being young, and I couldn't seem to take any interest in it. I was strong, and handsome, and had curly hair, - yes, and wings, too! - gay wings like a butterfly. I went to picnics and dances and parties with the fellows, and tried to carry on and talk nonsense with the girls, but it wasn't any use; I couldn't take to it - fact is, it was an awful bore. What I wanted was early to bed and early to rise, and something to DO; and when my work was done, I wanted to sit quiet, and smoke and think - not tear around with a parcel of giddy young kids. You can't think what I suffered whilst I was young."

http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Mark_Twain/Captain_Stormfields_Visit_to_Heaven/Chapter_I_p1.html

[That Wolf]

Thanks Rolan.
I have a book for this week.